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Zelensky to meet with Trump in DC on Monday after ‘no deal’ reached in Putin summit
Washington Examiner ^ | August 16, 2025 | Emily Hallas

Posted on 08/16/2025 7:03:44 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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To: Kazan
Trump knows he needs to get us out of this war or he'll be blamed for it.

Trump can't be blamed for a war that Putin started. Duh!

He also knows Ukraine's only choices are conceding the annexed territory

Don't put YOUR words into Trump;s mind. He is not going to give Putin what he hasn't earned and which is not his.

Think up another choice, and one which is not foolish and impractical.

and remaining neutral toward Russia or losing far more territory and lives.

As long as Putin decides to keep fighting a war which he has no chance of winning, Russia will lose millions more lives, and the Russian economy will go into deep=depression with no hope of recovery. Russia's military is now one of the weakest in the world, even if Putin keeps sending more soldiers into the meat-grinder.

But, I think that Trump's overtures are for nothing and should take the U.S. out entirely, and leave the Ukraine support to the EU and NATO. The U.S. will look weak and NATO will become more independent of the U.S., making the U.S. irrelevant in Europe and elsewhere.

Trump needs to stop pretending that only he can bring peace to the world. Just concentrate on making America great again.

Ukraine will get the aid i needs from Europe and elsewhere and make Putin's aggression very costly, in many ways. Rusia cannot keep with the NATO/EU resources and will have to eventually call it quits in Ukraine.
21 posted on 08/16/2025 9:16:08 AM PDT by adorno ( )
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To: dennisw
I agree with you but lets hope for the best on these Trump-Russia-Ukraine negotiations.

Sure, negotiations should continue, but at this point, it's clear that it's mostly a personal goal for trump.

Talking is better that killing thousands each month. We might get lucky.

Putin doesn't believe in talks which won't grant him his initial goal of taking Ukraine. With Putin, it's a personal goal and ambition, and destroying Ukraine and even Russia while doing it, is of no consequence to him.

It's a matter of line and death to Europe/NATO and Ukraine, and Putin cannot be rewarded for his aggression.

The U.S. can pull out and become irrelevant.
22 posted on 08/16/2025 9:25:55 AM PDT by adorno ( )
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To: adorno

Putin might budge due to Trump dangling elimination of Russia’s sanctions. Putin loves this war same as the Tsars of old. But he just might get enough pressure from oligarchs and others, to end this war so that Russia can prosper as a normal nation. And get back to selling hydrocarbons to Europe AKA >>> Russia as the gas station to the world that happens to have nukes.


23 posted on 08/16/2025 9:39:54 AM PDT by dennisw (There is no limit to human stupidity)
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To: nwrep

I really don’t get how anyone can seriously believe that. It’s about as papably, obviously untrue as saying Donald Trump’s a waif-thin 18 year old female supermodel.

Medvedev and Putin are revanchists. They’ve read too many of Dugin’s books. They’re both massively butthurt that the Iron Curtain fell not at the instigation of Reagan or Bush, but as a result of the leaders of Russia, Ukraine, and other countries inside the USSR choosing to dismantle the USSR.

They’re further annoyed that Gorbachev and Scheverdnaze chose not to formalise the James Baker / HW Bush pledge to not expand NATO eastwards - and both those guys said so publicly, on the record, that the offer was made and they didn’t take it up. (I mean, c’mon! It’s obvious why they didn’t! The USSR was never EVER going to put anything in an international treaty that implied Moscow had no power to prevent Poland, Latvia and the rest applying to join NATO so the USSR was begging NATO to reassure them that it’d say “no”!)

Finally, it galled Medvedev and Putin that almost all of eastern Europe actively chose to pursue membership of the EEC and NATO instead of seeking membership of the RF and CSTO. The one exception is a former commie true believer who is dependent on Moscow to keep him installed as president for life - Lukashenko. Luka knows that most of his people would much rather be aligned with the EU, Poland and Ukraine than aligned with Moscow - he’s already told Putin that if he orders his own troops to participate in the Special Military operation, there’ll be a civil war in Belarus.

The Russian revanchist leadership’s been driven mad by its delusional bitterness. They hate that every country that is allowed to let its own people exercise the “independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity” granted at the Belovezha Accords, actively rejects alignment with RF/CSTO. Revanchists are so self-deluded it doesn’t occur to them that Russia is only viewed as utterly toxic by the countries to its west because they’re all sick and tired of Russia’s toxic behaviours and constant threats. No; they have to blame someone else so it’s the fault of the Jews, or the Germans, or the Brits, or the Banderites, or the Deep State, or Soros, or the Gays, or the man in the moon. Everybody’s to blame except Putin, Medvedev, and the rest of the Dugin Parrots Club.

Their hatred, butthurt, paranoia and delusions of grandeur are the root causes of this conflict. The SMO isn’t a consequence of anything that Europe, or NATO, did to hurt Russia. Unless you count the worst things NATO’s ACTUALLY done to Russia in the last thirty years... snorting derisively at Putin’s utterly retarded demands in December 2021, and before that concluding that because Putin was already breaking Russia’s Minsk commitments before the ink was even dry, it might be wise to sign anyway and tool Ukraine up ready for the inevitable invasion.


24 posted on 08/16/2025 10:06:45 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe" - Holmes to Watson, A Scandal in Bohemia)
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To: dennisw
Putin might budge due to Trump dangling elimination of Russia’s sanctions.

To Putin, the sanctions are peanuts compared to what he wants and aims to get, and that's all of Ukraine, which would be just one of the pieces he needs to reconstitute the old Soviet Union, which is his ultimate goal. He can overcome the harm from the sanctions by getting whatever products were sanctioned through China and N.Korea and Iran and others, including India, which is indifferent to the harm being done by Putin to Ukraine..

Putin loves this war same as the Tsars of old.

I've said before that, Russia is to the northern power equivalent to the Muslims who are forever at war with others in the middle-east or someplace else in the world.

Russia has to always be at war with some other nation, or it's not Russia. Always aggressive and always at war, is the normal way of life for the Russians.

But he just might get enough pressure from oligarchs and others, to end this war so that Russia can prosper as a normal nation.

The head of the oligarchs is Putin, and any oligarch only serves under Putin's approval. Whatever Putin says or allows, the oligarch will do. So, it's the opposite of what you believe, and the oligarchs can so or say anything which Putin disapproves of. They can only advise, but have no power. An oligarch can be here one minute and dead and buried the next, all via Putin's orders.

And get back to selling hydrocarbons to Europe AKA >>> Russia as the gas station to the world that happens to have nukes.

Russia's only claim to being a world power, is nukes. Other than that, it's just another third-world, piss-poor nation.

Having oil to sell makes the no better than Venezuela, which also has a lot of oil to sell.

If not for the nukes and the always at war Russia, Europe and the world would have been at peace a long time ago. The only thing that makes Russia relevant to the world, is their nukes.
25 posted on 08/16/2025 10:19:53 AM PDT by adorno ( )
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To: adorno

Good valid take. I have a very low opinion of Putin and Russia since their Feb 2022 of Ukraine.

"Having oil to sell makes the no better than Venezuela, which also has a lot of oil to sell."

BTW stupid ripoff socialists who run Venezuela have half ruined their oil field by very chaotic extraction practices. Resulting in lower oil pressures, so harder to lift this crude out of the ground. And Venezuela crude is a heavy crude anyways! My roofing tar came from there.<P>

 Key issues:

In summary:
Venezuelan socialist leadership’s “chaotic extraction practices” have indeed reduced reservoir pressures, wrecked infrastructure, and made it much harder to extract their abundant crude. Venezuela is now an example of how oil reserves alone are not enough—sound management, engineering, and reinvestment are essential to maintain production over the long term.

26 posted on 08/16/2025 10:38:15 AM PDT by dennisw (There is no limit to human stupidity)
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To: Kazan

and, the policies advocated by anti MAGA supporters of Russia.


27 posted on 08/16/2025 11:07:35 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Where is ZORRO when California so desperately needs him?)
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To: nwrep

“I am so proud of President Putin’s willingness to negotiate for peace even though the aggression was initiated by U and the EU.”

It’s also in Putin’s interest as the Neocons are killing his troops also, and beyond that Putin would rather not have to take Western Ukraine where the people there, unless in the East, won’t see it as a liberation, but an occupation.

Then there are a TON of reasons for Putin to want to be on good terms with the United States, although, sadly for us, we are never more than one election away from electing another psycho-government frothing at the mouth regarding Russia, a country that refuses to surrender to them.


28 posted on 08/16/2025 11:36:14 AM PDT by BobL (If you're over 50 and still eat carbs, expect to become diabetic)
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To: Kazan

You come off as a commie peacenik type.


29 posted on 08/16/2025 11:39:02 AM PDT by dennisw (There is no limit to human stupidity)
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To: dennisw
You come off as a globalist/Deep State stooge promoting the interests of those making money off this war and Russian hatred while pushing us closer to WW III and nuclear war.
30 posted on 08/16/2025 1:06:31 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: bert
MAGA supporters overwhelming support ending our involvement in this war regardless of what deal Trump has to make.

THAT is an American First policy.

You, on the other hand, seem to miss the days of George W. Bush and neoconism.

31 posted on 08/16/2025 1:09:17 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

You and Putin are crackpots from yesteryear.


32 posted on 08/16/2025 1:38:18 PM PDT by dennisw (There is no limit to human stupidity)
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