Zelenskyy looks to European allies to stop handover of territory to Russia

The Financial Times ^ | August 9, 2025 | Christopher Miller and Fabrice Deprez

[C210N]

Note the choice for the meeting location - Alaska.

About the furthest it could be held distance-wise from both the piano player and his Euro-peon sycophants.

[Engraved-on-His-hands]

Will likely end up with a DMZ-like settlement. Doesn’t mean that it’s right. What is surprising is that Ukraine is labeled as a warmonger for not surrendering when invaded. Some people’s perspective is bizarre. I think that they are influenced by their desire for Russia to win and Ukraine to lose. They won’t tell you that, but that’s the reality. Crazy.

[PGR88]

How exactly have “European Powers” helped him avoid the loss of territory so far?
What can they do at this point?

Moreover, the European Powers are on their last leg themselves. Governments in Germany and the UK are not stable and will probably fall to more radical nationalist elements within the next 12-24 months.

[Mariner]

“They won’t tell you that, but that’s the reality.”

I will tell you that.

Because that’s where US interests are best served.

[iontheball]

The story behind this war is long, twisted, and war monger instigated. Those who want to know how it began need to go back to the color revolution days of 2013-2014 time frame and Elizebeth Nuland, the state department, and the CIA. There was a lot of choreographing and instigating that went into to creating this fiasco. Contrary to what a lot of individuals think, it wasn’t Putin waking up one day and deciding to take Europe.

[Alas Babylon!]

I do wish Ukraine’s territorial integrity could be kept intact but the reality is they cannot win it back by fighting.

Do they fight forever, without gain, or end the bleeding now? Once a soldier is dead, they cannot come back.

Finland fought bravely against the Soviets in 1939-40 but eventually ceded Karalea to the SU. Still, the SU always remembered what wildcats those Finns were. Let it be so with Ukrainians.

[POGO163]

Right now maybe Ukraine can’t kick Russia out of their Country. But at the same time Russia is losing many men and machines and can’t take over Ukraine. So, why doesn’t Russia just go home before Russia becomes like Haiti?

[Kazan]

So, the European sociopaths have no problem wit more Ukrainians dying and Ukraine losing more territory in a war it can’t win?

[adorno]

What is surprising is that Ukraine is labeled as a warmonger for not surrendering when invaded.

You need to update your understanding of how the world works now.

Like in the blue states, criminals are the victims, while those targeted by the real criminals, deserve what they get from the criminal because they resisted. It's why looting a store is okay and the store owner is at fault for trying to stop them. A rapist or murderer is allowed to go free and the victim will just have to deal with it.

Putin and his predecessors were right to take over nearby lands, as long as those nearby lands dare share a border with Russia. Russia has a right to take them over, since they are encroaching on Russia's borders.

The German Nazis believed that as the superior race, their destiny was to take over and rule the whole world. Putin and those before him, believed in the same goals, even if they're not labeled Nazis.

[elpadre]

Zelensky is like a broken record. But he is holding a weak hand, nothing with which to bargin.

[Alas Babylon!]

Because they think they can keep what they’ve already taken. Who’s to stop them?

It certainly is a terrible situation for the Ukrainians to lose territory, but they are no longer in those places. Again, the REALITY is they cannot dislodge the Russians.

Russia doesn’t have to fight offensively—they could simply change to a defense. I think the offenses they keep trying don’t work, but it keeps the pressure on Ukraine and the rest of the world to make peace.

[dfwgator]

Those same “Allies” that prop up the Russian economy by buying their oil? Those “Allies”?

[dfwgator]

This isn’t Munich 1938. When they met Germany did not possess the Sudetenland. In this case, the Russians already have the land.

This is more like Poland 1939, where the Germans were already there, and it was, either get out of Poland, or we declare war.

We ain’t declaring war on Russia.

[adorno]

How exactly have “European Powers” helped him avoid the loss of territory so far?

If not for the Europeans and the U.S., Ukraine would be owned by Russia already.

What can they do at this point?

Same as they've done for the last 3 1/2 years, which has worked wonderfully to take Russia to a stalemate.

Moreover, the European Powers are on their last leg themselves.

They've been on their last legs for decades, and somehow, they're still around.

Governments in Germany and the UK are not stable and will probably fall to more radical nationalist elements within the next 12-24 months.

Whatever their internals issues, they will survive and even thrive, and make life hell for Putin and other aggressors. The U.S. has the same kind of internal issues, and nobody expects us to fold and disappear. Your predictions are worthless and brought on by insane wishes.

[pepsi_junkie]

Governments in Germany and the UK are not stable and will probably fall to more radical nationalist elements

What makes them radical, other than the newspapers saying so?

What makes the establishment parties in power mainstream when their policies are viewed as dangerous and threatening by a growing plurality of the people in those countries other than 'they've always been in power'?

[MrRelevant]

Its that they arent surrendering when theyve already LOST. Theyre done. Whats the point of continuing to punish his people by acting as if those territories are ever coming back into the Ukrainian fold.

[elpadre]

and I suspect Trump is talking to the same EU leaders about getting Zelensky in line.

[Nebr FAL owner]

He would do better getting the Uke army house in order. Asit is now they have no chance of winning at best a draw & a bleeding festering wound for Russia. This can be done by the Ukes by constant sabotage & irregular warfare against Russian forces & collaborators.6

[Alas Babylon!]

Exactly. No one is fighting Russia except Ukraine and they alone cannot push the Russians out. The Russians can’t take the rest of Ukraine even with North Korea helping.

So now what? They all continue to die together. Or...

They stop fighting, with Russia keeping what they took.

I’m sorry for Ukraine, but what else can they do?