[SmokingJoe]

“Russia would be toast if they went up against the NATO countries, even without the U.S.”

Nope.
Without US support, Russia would smoke Europe without too much trouble.
Just try it and see.
Even as we are speaking, you are STILL hustling for even more massive US military support for Ukraine at the expense of US tax payers.
Even after the over $300 Billion Biden the moron has already sent to Ukraine for free.
Chuckle.

[adorno]

Without US support, Russia would smoke Europe without too much trouble.

NATO without the U.S. is a force that Putin/Russia dare not get even close to. Ukraine was/is not really considered European by Putin, and he though he was free to invade. Big mistake!

Just try it and see.

There has never been a reason to try something so stupid. No reason for any NATO country or the entirety of NATO to try doing something uncalled for. Only if Russia decided to test NATO, would NATO get involved. It doesn't happen the other way around.

Even as we are speaking, you are STILL hustling for even more massive US military support for Ukraine at the expense of US tax payers.

It's not me. It's Putin asking for the U.S. to get involved and to support Ukraine with weapons and economic aid. It Putin had not invaded, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Put the blame where it belongs.

Even after the over $300 Billion Biden the moron has already sent to Ukraine for free.

Russia is being contained. That's a huge dividend. We are stopping Russia and Ukraine is doing the fighting, although they shouldn't be alone in doing so. Up to now, it has been just aid from a distance, and that's been enough. If more is required. NATO and the U.S. will have to provide, no matter how YOU feel about it.

The Ukrainian people have a right to a free and independent country, and Russia and its allies and forum/internet supporters, have to be stopped.

Chuckle.

Yeah, invasions and wars are funny business. ;)