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Whatever Happens Next, Iran Doesn’t Need To Be Made Safe For Democracy
The Federalist ^ | June 23, 2025 | By John Daniel Davidson

Posted on 06/23/2025 10:02:32 AM PDT by Kazan

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1 posted on 06/23/2025 10:02:32 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

It’s a contradiction. Unless you get regime change, the war (and presumably, Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program) will simply continue


2 posted on 06/23/2025 10:07:07 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Kazan

They say the smoother the parking lot, the safer it is to park


3 posted on 06/23/2025 10:17:05 AM PDT by rdcbn1 (TV )
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To: Kazan
Regime change and nation-building are not the same. They are different. And DISTINCT. The Obama administration forced regime change in Libya and ignored nation-building. The place is still a wreck, but it's no threat to us.

The US, Israel and Saudi Arabia all have the military means to destroy Iran's mullah regime, through air attacks on its Karg Island oil export port. 90-95% of Iran's oil exports go out of there. We could do it with a blarf! of 1.5 - 2 Tomahawk loads (@ 200 Tomahawks) from the Ohio-Michigan-Florida-George class of cruise missile submarines without risking any pilots.

No oil income for the mullah regime means no pay for its regime protection forces, who'd have to find other jobs. The Iranian people will then string up the mullah regime on lamposts. That is regime change.

Sure Iran would be a mess afterwards. The only threat to us there would be of loose nuclear weapons, which the Israelis have pretty well already taken care of. But we've had trained and always ready-to-go special operations teams for years targeted for insertion into a post-mullah regime chaotic Iran to look for, find and nab any remaining loose Iranian nukes. And they'd all get out once they find the nukes.

Plus there are probably 500+ Mossad personnel there right now ready for the same mission. So any danger of loose Iranian nukes after forced regime change is probably as low as it can go, and no extended stay by US ground forces would be necessary.

4 posted on 06/23/2025 10:18:27 AM PDT by Thud
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To: Kazan
...our goal should be to ensure Iran remains a non-nuclear power that’s
unable to threaten the United States or its allies anywhere in the world.


I would agree. Although they are the largest sponsor of terrorism in the world with their militant groups.

5 posted on 06/23/2025 10:24:30 AM PDT by Tommy Revolts
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To: Kazan

Iran prospered under the royal reign of the Shah while maintaining a strong presence in the Middle East. While US protest sign read No Kings, I would expect Iran’s back to the future revolution to kick off with protest signs reading “More Kings, Please”


6 posted on 06/23/2025 10:28:19 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: Kazan

LOL, Making Iran safe for Democracy.

That’s like Making Democrats avoid hypocrisy.


7 posted on 06/23/2025 10:28:25 AM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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To: Kazan

Well there’s Democracy and then there are democracies of various flavors. In this case, a return of the Shah might need to savor of early Pinochet.


8 posted on 06/23/2025 10:28:49 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: Kazan

Just kill all the mullahs and those ICRG savages, break all their toys, and walk away.

Not one dime of government aid.

L


9 posted on 06/23/2025 10:30:20 AM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: BenLurkin

The culture police(Guidance Patrol) will have to be dealt with. They bought into the bs and any new government will have to decide what to do with them. They should not be allowed to disburse and blend into the population. There are thousands of them, mostly in the cities.


10 posted on 06/23/2025 10:33:01 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Kazan
I think the idea of "regime change" in that area is destined to fail. Sure, we could take out the Ayatollahs, hold free elections etc. but the new regime wouldn't last.

Why? They have no tradition of democracy, representation by the people, etc. Whether the reason is religious, historical, cultural or whatever, they won't or can't embrace individual rights and freedoms.

In six months it would return to tyranny of some kind. The best we can hope for would be a despot like Pahlavi --- one who's not actively belligerent, at least.

11 posted on 06/23/2025 10:38:27 AM PDT by ZOOKER
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I saw in another report that Iran's Parliament voted to close the Strait of Hormuz

Let me repeat that for emphasis...

THE IRANIAN PARLIAMENT VOTED...

I'm been asking how did these parliamentarians get to hold that office?

Either they were all hand-picked by the old dude with the towel on the head, or they were perhaps - elected (dare I say?).

Seems no one is able to answer that question...

... or give accurate damage assessments in Israel.

...or why stealth was needed even though our ally reported they had total control of the skies

Sorry for speaking out of turn, I'll shut up now and go back to just working to pay taxes to 'protect democracy'.

just my $0.02.

jimjohn

12 posted on 06/23/2025 10:51:50 AM PDT by jimjohn (We're at war, people. Start acting like it.)
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To: Kazan
Nope, they just need to learn not to shoot missiles at their neighbors.

Iran has shot missiles recently at most people in the area.

This does need to stop.

And they need to stop making war on their neighbors by proxies.

That probably will not happen but the missiles raining down on their neighbors can be stopped.

13 posted on 06/23/2025 10:57:54 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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To: PGR88
For any regime change to work, it has organic and come from the people.

Are you suggesting we put troops on the ground, foment a regime and nation build?

14 posted on 06/23/2025 11:08:37 AM PDT by Kazan
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“nation-building that had dominated American foreign affairs for nearly two decades.”

Obviously, John Davidson is a young punk that knows nothing of modern history.


15 posted on 06/23/2025 11:09:58 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: rdcbn1

Yeah, but I am not for painting the lines. Just pave it and let anarchy reign!


16 posted on 06/23/2025 11:10:27 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Thud
A regime change isn't going to work unless it is organic and supported by the people.

We've tried regime changes for decades in the middle east and have never killed or bombed our way into a Western friendly democracy.

17 posted on 06/23/2025 11:11:14 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: BenLurkin
When the last time time we were able to create democracy in a Muslim country?

The definition of insanity is going the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

18 posted on 06/23/2025 11:12:17 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Lurker
Let's kill 'em all...And, then what?

And, let's set up another 9/11!

We can't kill or bomb our way into a Western-friendly democracy in a Muslim nation.

It's waste of money and, more importantly, a waste of political capital for Trump, who has a mandate to implement his domestic agenda.

19 posted on 06/23/2025 11:14:11 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: CodeToad
And, you're a old punk that learned nothing for 23 years.

How did regime change work in Iraq and Afghanistan?

When has it every worked in a Muslim nation?

The definition of insanity is doing the same over and over again and expecting a different result.

20 posted on 06/23/2025 11:16:06 AM PDT by Kazan
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