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Putin just showed Trump how little he needs him
CNN via Yahoo ^ | May 19th, 2025 | by Nick Paton Walsh, CNN

Posted on 05/19/2025 3:34:21 PM PDT by Mariner

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To: Mariner

The quicker Donald Trump extracts himself from this tar baby, the better off he/we will be.


41 posted on 05/19/2025 4:09:57 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Mariner

““The root causes of the conflict.” These were startling words from a man purportedly on the path to peace.”

What’s so ‘startling’ about wanting to SOLVE a problem, rather than just have it keep coming up. After all, I suspect that both Hitler and Tojo both would have JUST LOVED a cease fire at times in order to re-arm resume the war when ready (particularly when they were getting their butts wiped), but, for some reason, FDR wasn’t too hot on the idea.

It’s not complicated and the media is FLAT OUT LYING with their ‘startling’ claim in this case, since Putin has been making this point since before the war. If anything is ‘startling’ it’s that Trump actually thought he could end the war to the satisfaction of both sides (the Neocons and the Russians). That was never going to happen.


42 posted on 05/19/2025 4:11:01 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Williams

“Russia is a S hole country because Putin has hollowed it out. The riches of Russia, what a pathetic joke.”

No one is FORCING you to move there.


43 posted on 05/19/2025 4:13:26 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Republican Wildcat
It wants the USSR / Russian Empire back

This isn't true but the Old Empire might be preferable to the current EU with it's rape gangs, racism against Whites and wide-open borders.

44 posted on 05/19/2025 4:13:42 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: BobL

“That was never going to happen.”

Correct. A fool’s errand.


45 posted on 05/19/2025 4:14:32 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Trump has cards he hasn’t even played yet. Putin is not in a strong position. He’s just in a stronger position than Ukraine is, and that’s only if Europe and the U.S. disengage. And that’s not going to happen.

Trump will accept some limited territorial gains by Russia but he’s not going to sit back and let Russian annex large swathes of Ukraine. Anyone who’s betting on Putin over Trump is foolish.


46 posted on 05/19/2025 4:15:15 PM PDT by mbrfl
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To: Mathews

“The next step will crush Russia without firing a shot.”

Let me guess - we’ll stop trading with Russia. Good luck there, our nuclear plants shut down and our aircraft production comes to a screeching halt (both civilian and military), thanks to no more Titanium.

Maybe we start WW3? I guess, if you’re into that stuff. I’m not, and most people I know are against that. I even think Trump’s against that.


47 posted on 05/19/2025 4:18:35 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Mariner

” the Kremlin head has returned to the start – to his false narrative about this war of choice being sparked by NATO expanding “

CNN, your bias is showing.


48 posted on 05/19/2025 4:19:58 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: Robert DeLong

“It was a geopolitical blunder to eve throw Russia into the arms of China.”

Yep - pretty much sold out our kids and grand kids, even worse move than dumping our debt on them.


49 posted on 05/19/2025 4:20:30 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Robert DeLong

“If the dollar collapses, then we will look like a turd world nation very quickly. Because not only have they spent this nation into dire monetary debt levels, they have also eviscerated this nation’s production capabilities.”

Not possible because WE ARE AMERICA!

(or something like that - I’m trying to understand the Neocon rationale)


50 posted on 05/19/2025 4:21:41 PM PDT by BobL
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Bush to press for Ukraine and Georgia in NATO

By Reuters
April 1, 2008

51 posted on 05/19/2025 4:23:56 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: Mariner

I wonder how different Russia Today’s assessment was.🤔


52 posted on 05/19/2025 4:26:23 PM PDT by Texas Eagle ("Throw me to the wolves and I'll return leading the pack"- Donald J. Trump)
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To: McGruff

“Bush to press for Ukraine and Georgia in NATO”

Which is EXACTLY what he did in 2008. No different than Brezhnev pushing for Mexico to join the Warsaw Pact, complete with Soviet bases and missiles. Hard to imagine Reagan saying “What’s the big deal here”.


53 posted on 05/19/2025 4:27:47 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

It’s not Neo- Conism. It IS American Matuonalist Jacksonianism, and President Trump is playing it briliantly around the World.


54 posted on 05/19/2025 4:28:03 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: cowboyusa

“It’s not Neo- Conism. It IS American Matuonalist Jacksonianism, and President Trump is playing it briliantly around the World.”

The Neocons are the only group of people who cannot seem to understand that December 31, 1991 was the LAST DAY in 1991, and instead still think 1991 hasn’t ended.

Otherwise they would understand that the world has changed in the past 34 years and NOT in favor of the US, not even close.


55 posted on 05/19/2025 4:31:41 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Mariner
US interests are best served by just walking away.

And, not only walk away from negotiations but walk away from any involvement in the war.

56 posted on 05/19/2025 4:34:16 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: BobL

Which President Trump is changing.


57 posted on 05/19/2025 4:35:30 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: Kazan

From the WHOLE Contenient.


58 posted on 05/19/2025 4:36:00 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: cowboyusa

“Which President Trump is changing.”

Far too slowly, thanks to Democrat judges that want this country to become an s-hole nation.


59 posted on 05/19/2025 4:36:33 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

He has almost the ENTIRE Middle East bending down to kiss our but, the UK now also.


60 posted on 05/19/2025 4:41:11 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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