Zeepers hate him for this. I wonder why?
Posted on 04/15/2025 9:04:07 AM PDT by bimboeruption
Vice President JD Vance said the U.S. must understand both Russia and Ukraine's strategic red lines to end the war, and dismissed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's "absurd" suggestion that Washington is taking Moscow's side.
Zelensky had told CBS' 60 Minutes program that he believes "Russian narratives are prevailing in the U.S." and that he understood Vance to be "somehow justifying Putin's actions" by presenting Ukraine as an aggressor, too.
Why it Matters There are ongoing tensions between the leaderships in Washington and Kyiv as the Trump administration tries to broker an end to Russia's war.
Some in Washington see Zelensky as an obstacle to peace and want him out, but Ukraine's allies in Europe fear U.S. President Donald Trump will compromise too readily with Russian President Vladimir Putin for the sake of securing a quick deal.
What To Know Vance said in an interview with British media website UnHerd published on Tuesday morning that he has criticized Russia for its full-scale invasion of Ukraine since February 2022.
"I've also tried to apply strategic recognition that if you want to end the conflict, you have to try to understand where both the Russians and the Ukrainians see their strategic objectives," Vance told the publication.
"That doesn't mean you morally support the Russian cause, or that you support the full-scale invasion, but you do have to try to understand what are their strategic red lines, in the same way that you have to try to understand what the Ukrainians are trying to get out of the conflict."
He added: "I think it's sort of absurd for Zelensky to tell the [American] government, which is currently keeping his entire government and war effort together, that we are somehow on the side of the Russians."
Vance said Zelensky's rhetoric "is certainly not productive."
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Zeepers hate him for this. I wonder why?
“Russian narratives are prevailing in the U.S.”
Russia is the go-to boogeyman for everything that goes wrong in the West...and this is really getting old.
What statements does Vance get wrong, in your opinion?
>>>>Vance wants us to believe him rather than our own eyes.<<<<
How so?
Lets see. Trump said that this atrocity 3 days ago was a honest “mistake” after air bursts from cluster warheads of Russian missiles over a crowded street at 10 AM on Palm Sunday killed 35 Ukrainian civilians and wounded over a hundred more.
Yet, Russia lied that it was NOT a mistake but a SUCCESSFUL hit on a military target that killed 60 Ukrainian soldiers.
Trump needs to keep up and revise his talking points to coincide with Moscow’s narrative or else loose credibility with Putin. Dont think that Trump could ever lose any credibility with the Putinistas on FR though. No matter what Putin does.
Remember Poland started the war with Hitler in 1939 by resisting his invasion just like Ukraine started the war with Russia by resisting Putin’s invasion.
(Video) Mother comforts daughter wounded by flying glass from explosion shock wave: https://x.com/i/status/1911382750273155357
Putinista?
What ever happened to “Putin Puffers?” It was very popular among your ilk 3 years ago.
I am still of the opinion that we should cut Ukraine. Pull out everything we have in there and walk away.
It will end this when the money and weapons run out.
If Ukraine wants to keep fighting then they best find another Sugar Daddy with weapons.
None of the other Western nations want to fight the Russians and know it would be political suicide because they are too weak militarily to even consider a huge conflict with a country battle hardened and well armed with nuclear weapons.
“I think it’s sort of absurd for Zelensky to tell the [American] government, which is currently keeping his entire government and war effort together, that we are somehow on the side of the Russians.”
That’s gonna leave a mark.
Ukrainian nazis spent 8 years shelling the Donbass and conducted ethnic cleansing. They openly stated their intent to turn Sevastopol into a NATO Navy base. In May of 2021, Zelinsky said they wanted an atomic bomb. Every President from W through Obama, and then Biden said Ukraine was being brought into NATO.
And in Feb of 22, after we rejected ALL their offers of a settlement, the Uke Army we spent 8 years building up was massing and increasing shelling to begin a final assault on the Donbass.
Russia had two choices, stand by and watch as the ethnic cleansing happened, and protest to no avail. Then accept a permanent NATO presence in a neo-nazi nation, right on their border, OR move militarily.
Learning the lesson of Munich, that an aggressor cannot be appeased, the Russians rolled.
And according to Ukraine, it was a military target. According to Ukraine it was an awards ceremony being held.
“Several Ukrainian officials have criticized the location chosen for the meeting.
Artyom Semenikhin, mayor of neighboring city of Konotop and a member of the Svoboda party, blamed the head of the Sumy Region’s military administration for organizing the conference in a civilian area so close to the front line.”
In a nutshell JD presumes to know what's good for the Ukrainians but dresses it up by saying he's trying understand what they "are trying to get out of the conflict."
That simply does not comport with his treatment or the president's treatment of Zelinski in the Oval Office, it does not comport with Trump's intervening to negotiate without consulting Ukraine and, immediately after talking to Putin, conceding Russia's every demand at the onset of negotiations! That's not trying to find out what Ukraine wants. It presumes away Ukraine's interests to advance whatever agenda is motivating the president.
We are not treating Ukraine as an ally, its existential survival is on the line while we criticize it because Ukraine, abused and despised, is simply describing what we see with our own eyes in the Oval Office episode and beyond.
Weren’t the UKRs bombing civilians in the Donbas during Biden’s term?
Seriously. Putin watched the US do nothing when Russia marched in and took Crimea. Fast forward to the Biden administration and Putin watched while Biden (or whoever was calling the shots) made public comments that Russia was probably going to invade Ukraine - but did nothing. All of these things emboldened Putin, and now we are so far down the road that a solution is very, very hard to find.
Yet, Russia lied that it was NOT a mistake but a SUCCESSFUL hit on a military target that killed 60 Ukrainian soldiers.
Trump needs to keep up and revise his talking points to coincide with Moscow's narrative or else loose credibility with Putin. Dont think that Trump could ever lose any credibility with the Putinistas on FR though. No matter what Putin does.
Remember Poland started the war with Hitler in 1939 by resisting his invasion just like Ukraine started the war with Russia by resisting Putin's invasion.
(Video) Mother comforts daughter wounded by flying glass from explosion shock wave: https://x.com/i/status/1911382750273155357
Spare me the teary, heart string pulling narrative.
Zelensky is grabbing tens of thousands of civilian Ukrainian men, women and children off the streets to press gang , un trained and unprepared, into becoming cannon fodder to be slaughtered in the trenches on the Ukrainian front lines.
I'm far less concerned with the collateral damage of a handful of civilian in a Russian air strike than I am with the thousands of civilians that are being rounded up and Shanghaied off the streets of Ukrainian cities and shipped directly to their deaths in the trenches by the Azov Brigades.
Just stuffing civilians into US supplied multi cam gear, handing them an AK-74 and shipping them off to the front does not make them soldiers.
Maybe you can provide the link to that X post of a bloodied teenage Ukrainian conscript girl under attack and crying in the trenches as a counterpoint. .
This war needs to end and put a stop to the senseless slaughter of Ukrainian and Russian kids who should be out building lives for themselves instead of getting killed to no good purpose.
The Ukraine is running out of people to fight the Russians so it's way past time for those running their mouths about continued fighting the war to step up to plate to pick up their AK 74 or Bren carbine and head out to the front lines to throw their hat in the ring to try to win the lottery to be the last person to die a futile and pointless death in Zlenskey's lost cause.
Yet, Trump said he could end the war in just one day.
Just as you quite reasonably say, the solution is very, very hard to find unless, that is, one intends to impose a one-day solution on Ukraine by unilaterally imposing Russia's terms on a hapless former ally. Then, sure, the solution is at hand and not at all hard to find. One need only leave one's ally an offer he could not refuse.
So everything Trump has done confirms this approach. We do not elect presidents to behave like this, we elect presidents to find those solutions that are very, very hard to find, to solve the conundrums you reasonably list above.
Russia can stop that narrative if they would stopped killing civilians and leave Ukraine and other countries alone.
that’s it! Avoid the bad things Putin is doing and concentrate on nick names. Won’t work however!
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