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Why Is Trump Rejecting 0%-Tariff Trade Proposals?
Investor Place ^ | 04/10/25 | Jeff Remsburg

Posted on 04/10/2025 3:31:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

New trade talks emerge, but Trump’s resistance hints at a much bigger strategy shift.

Key Takeaways:

Though the gains have reversed and turned to losses as I write Tuesday afternoon, stocks ripped higher this morning on hopes that trade deals will be getting done.

From The Wall Street Journal:

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said the Trump administration was open to negotiating deals to reduce tariffs, and denied the market selloff had led the White House to change its approach…

“I would say the negotiations are a result of the massive inflow of inbound calls to come and negotiate,” he said…

“I think you’re going to see some very large countries with large trade deficits come forward very quickly,” he added. “If they come to the table with solid proposals, I think we can end up with some good deals.”

Here’s a question…

Vietnam has proposed lowering its tariffs to zero. Is that a “good deal”?

Not according to White House trade advisor Peter Navarro. Here was his response yesterday:

When they come to us and say, “we’ll go to zero tariffs,” that means nothing to us because it’s the nontariff cheating that matters.

It means “nothing”? Really?

Okay, here’s another question…

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen suggested “zero-for-zero” tariffs with the U.S. for industrial goods, including cars.

Is that a “good deal?”

Apparently not. Here’s Newsweek:

Trump was asked whether [von der Leyen’s suggestion] was “enough” by a reporter in the Oval Office to which he replied:

“No, it’s not. The EU has been very tough over the years, I always say it was formed really to do damage to the United States in trade, that’s the reason it was formed.”

Now, even if our trade relationships with Vietnam and the European Union include warts that must be addressed beyond a 0% tariff rate, if freer, fairer trade is the goal, shouldn’t these proposals of 0% tariffs at least warrant some positive acknowledgement?

The absence of such positive acknowledgement prompts a question…

Is there a different end goal in mind?

On Saturday, Fox News ran an opinion piece that speculated on Trump’s real purpose

The author, Tanvi Ratna, is a policy analyst and engineer with a decade of experience in statecraft at the intersection of geopolitics, economics, and technology. Point being, whether you agree with her or not, she’s not coming from out of left field.

Ratna suggests that Trump’s real goal has less to do with “unfair” tariffs and far more to do with unsustainable debt and a complete economic restructuring:

In 2025, the U.S. government must refinance $9.2 trillion in maturing debt. Some $6.5 trillion of that comes due by June.

That is not a typo—that is a debt wall the size of a small continent.

Billions of dollars of debt expense are potentially on the line. Based on data in the article, each basis-point increase in interest rates would put the government on the hook for roughly $1 billion per year – huge motivation for lower interest rates.

Unfortunately, at the start of the year, the 10-year Treasury yield sat at the painfully high level of 4.80% after surging nearly all last fall.

What could bring it down?

Not the Fed.

With the specter of reinflation looming in January, the Federal Reserve appeared to be in no hurry to cut interest rates. And even if it was, the bond market wouldn’t necessarily follow suit.

As we covered in the Digest last fall, after the Fed’s first rate cut last September, the Fed Funds rate and the 10-year Treasury yield diverged in historic fashion.

While the Fed funds dropped, the 10-year Treasury yield surged. The situation grew more abnormal through the end of the year as the 10-year Treasury yield hit that 4.80% level I noted a moment ago.

So, how do you get bond yields (and by extension, federal debt payments) lower when both the Fed and the bond market didn’t appear interested in helping?

Back to Ratna’s Fox News piece:

By introducing sweeping tariffs, the administration is creating precisely the kind of economic uncertainty that drives investors toward safer assets such as long-term U.S. Treasuries.

When markets are spooked, capital exits risk and equity assets (as we see with the stock market collapse) and piles into safe assets, primarily the 10-year U.S. treasury bond. That demand pushes yields lower.

It is a counter-intuitive move, but a calculated one. Some have called it a “detox” for the overheated financial system.

Now, on Sunday, White House National Economic Council director Kevin Hassett denied this is Trump’s grand plan:

He’s not trying to tank the market. He’s trying to deliver for American workers. It is not a strategy for the markets to crash.

Of course, whether this is Trump’s plan or not, Hassett must say this.

If it is the plan, Wall Street can’t be in on it. After all, “fear” is the juice that powers the desired exodus from stocks to bonds.

The rest of Trump’s alleged plan

Ratna suggests that lower interest rates are just the beginning.

The federal deficit remains enormous, and that’s where Elon Musk and his team at DOGE are supposed to slash spending. The goal is to eliminate a trillion dollars from the deficit by later this year.

If successful, that would leave just one more part of Trump’s plan: economic growth.

Here’s Ratna:

By making imports more expensive, they create space for American producers to step back in. The objective is not to punish trade partners—it is to make domestic industry viable again, even if only long enough to rebuild critical capacity…

In the meantime, tariffs themselves will generate revenue—an estimated $700 billion or more in the first year.

That creates more fiscal room for the administration to enable tax cuts and keep spending on Social Security, Medicaid and other programs.

Ratna believes Trump’s overall goal is to reduce America’s debt, reset its industrial base, and renegotiate where it stands in the global order.

If this is, in fact, Trump’s true plan then, at best, it’s a colossal gamble. And the most obvious tripwire is stagflation that could be exacerbated by corporate CEOs who – purposefully – can’t be in on the game.

The risk that inflation and corporate America don’t play along with Trump’s alleged vision

For this hypothetical plan to work, two things must happen:

These things aren’t guaranteed to happen.

Beginning with inflation, we’ve been getting mixed messages in recent weeks.

By some measures, inflation is cooling rapidly. Truflation, an independent inflation index, reports a U.S. inflation rate of just 1.40%.

On the other hand, recent data from the Consumer Price Index (CPI) and the Personal Consumption Expenditures (PCE) Price Index show pressure on prices remaining firm.

The latest core CPI inflation data (which strips out volatile food and energy prices) found that prices climbed at a 3.1% pace year-over-year. Similarly, the most recent core PCE figure climbed 2.8% year-over-year, up from the prior reading of 2.6%.

Plus, inflation expectations have been climbing across the board in the wake of this trade war chaos. If expectation turns into reality, the Fed will be unable to cut rates, and the bond market will naturally climb on its own.

Speaking of climbing, the 10-year Treasury yield has surged about 32 basis points in two days. It’s exploded from 3.90% yesterday to 4.22% as I write.

By the calculations we used earlier, that’s about $32 billion extra in federal interest expense.

This is not the plan.

On our second point, onshoring and a resilient corporate climate aren’t guaranteed

Last month, a Bank of America survey found that 71% of global fund managers expect global stagflation within the next 12 months.

Meanwhile, last week, Citibank echoed this sentiment in a note to clients:

Looking out, large tariffs would move us closer to the stagflationary risks we have downplayed this past year.

This transition happens through a tightening of financial conditions which means fixed-income returns also turn negative.

The note – written before “Liberation Day” – modeled a base case of 10% tariffs, which Citi predicted could push the economy into stagflation in roughly six months. And with 20% tariffs, Citi predicted we’ll see an added “growth shock.”

Well, as we now know, many of Trump’s tariffs are multiples greater than 20%, so “growth shock” could be putting it mildly.

B of A and Citi aren’t the only Big Banks that have raised their stagflation predictions. We’ve seen similar calls from Goldman, Stifel, and UBS.

And yesterday, JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon weighed in his annual letter so shareholders:

The economy is facing considerable turbulence (including geopolitics).

We are likely to see inflationary outcomes … Whether or not the menu of tariffs causes a recession remains in question, but it will slow down growth.

The problem is that lower yields and higher growth require contradictory messaging and emotions

For the bond market, Trump needs to communicate: “I don’t care about economic pain. I’m going to do whatever I want.”

The related emotion needs to be fear. That’s the best shot at pushing down long-term yields and holding them there.

But for corporate America, Trump needs to communicate: “This is temporary and for a greater economic good. Continue your cap ex spending. Continue hiring. Continue onshoring. Trust me. You’ll be okay.”

The related emotion is confidence. That’s the best shot as supporting our economy.

Given these contradictory messages, it’s no wonder we’re hearing two different things from The White House.

On that note, this morning, when asked whether the tariffs are permanent or up for negotiation, Trump said: “They can both be true.”

The reality is that, so far, Trump is successfully delivering the first message yet failing horribly on the second.

Billionaire hedge fund manager Bill Ackman explained the impact of this uncertainty and inconsistency on corporate America yesterday on X

Here’s Ackman:

Business is a confidence game and confidence depends on trust…

By placing massive and disproportionate tariffs on our friends and our enemies alike and thereby launching a global economic war against the whole world at once, we are in the process of destroying confidence in our country as a trading partner, as a place to do business, and as a market to invest capital.

The president has an opportunity to call a 90-day time out, negotiate and resolve unfair asymmetric tariff deals, and induce trillions of dollars of new investment in our country.

If, on the other hand, on April 9th we launch economic nuclear war on every country in the world, business investment will grind to a halt, consumers will close their wallets and pocket books, and we will severely damage our reputation with the rest of the world that will take years and potentially decades to rehabilitate.

What CEO and what board of directors will be comfortable making large, long-term, economic commitments in our country in the middle of an economic nuclear war? I don’t know of one who will do so.

When markets crash, new investment stops, consumers stop spending money, and businesses have no choice but to curtail investment and fire workers…

Business is a confidence game. The president is losing the confidence of business leaders around the globe.

This brings us to tomorrow, which marks the day when Trump said he’ll enact his proposed tariffs – the same ones Ackman just suggested would serve as an “economic nuclear war on every country in the world.”

We’ll see.

Despite the uncertainty surrounding Trump’s true goal, remember to maintain a cool head

In moments like these, it’s more important than ever to have a calm, informed perspective.

That’s why our team of experts – Louis Navellier, Eric Fry, and Luke Lango – sat down with our Editor-in-Chief and fellow Digest writer Luis Hernandez yesterday to discuss the volatility.

What happens from here? What should you do with your investments? Is this a “buy” moment or a “hunker down” moment?

Between the three of them, our experts have about 10 decades of investing experience. That matters in times like this.

Just click here to watch the interview.

As to the ongoing tariff war, and what Trump’s real motivation might be, we’ll keep you updated here in the Digest.

Have a good evening,

Jeff Remsburg



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KEYWORDS: jillsbox; trade; zerotariffs
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To: glorgau

Not only barriers, tariff or not, but unequal wages and regulation. So even if both sides dropped all barriers to zero, American workers would be disadvantaged and manufacturing would not return home. For that reason, we don’t want zero / zero. We need a minimum tariff for protection purposes.


21 posted on 04/10/2025 5:55:49 PM PDT by Stingray51 ( )
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To: DesertRhino

Btt...


22 posted on 04/10/2025 5:58:12 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: lee martell

VAT rejected? It was because it was Gore who proposed it. But if it comes from Trump, then it will be a position reset by many.


23 posted on 04/10/2025 6:00:22 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: SeekAndFind

Why not do a zero-tariff deal?

Because a country can allow a Chinese populated and run factory town to be set up, as is pretty much being done in Mexico by Chinese car companies.

Israel or Argentina might for a 1% cut allow such a place to be built in their country.

Another reason is that if a company is having sales difficulty, it would send stuff to the US instead of say Slovakia because it would probably have packaging material and knowledge of US regulatory systems. The result is our factory workers would have unstable working hours.

All deals should be to a US plan.

All deals should be limited as to time (may be terminated by the US with six-month’s notice) and guaranteed volume (no more than 10% growth per 12-month period). Why, because even the smartest people have mental blind spots.

If uncertainty is unacceptable to your company, 94% of the world’s population probably wants your company’s products.

I used to develop software. I looked for ways things would fail or get bypassed most of the working day every working day.

My uncle from western Asia took great delight in posing situations where I might get cheated.

Remember, both open Communists and closeted Communists are thieves. Don’t expect honesty and honesty dealing from them.

Most countries have voters that predominately love leftist policies. They only vote for sane politicians when leftist policies become too painful.


24 posted on 04/10/2025 6:17:00 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: SeekAndFind

About two-thirds of the trade imbalance with China comes from the Chinese counterpart of ‘Buy American’.

People in China generally have the option of buying Chinese, and they do.

They don’t want to be seen as unpatriotic.

The 100% Chinese Huawei phone is bought, and the majority of the price American Apple phone isn’t.


25 posted on 04/10/2025 6:29:02 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: SeekAndFind

After I got out of college, I had to get a job so I could repay my student loan.

I had to rent an apartment so I would have a place to sleep.

To get the apartment I had to sign a lease. The lease was incredibly detailed. I was shocked. If I did one thing wrong, there would be hell to pay.

However, because both me and the management company knew what I had to do, there was no problem whatsoever.


26 posted on 04/10/2025 6:36:54 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: SeekAndFind

The main value of a tariff on Thing A is to get Thing A made in America.


27 posted on 04/10/2025 6:44:53 PM PDT by Arcadian Empire (The Baric-Daszak-Fauci spike protein, by itself, is deadly.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Many managerial theories have been discarded over time.

Management by results has never suffered that fate.


28 posted on 04/10/2025 6:48:52 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump should focus on helping businesses in many metro areas start doing well on manufacturing, exports, and economic growth generally.
He should find someone on the Hill to give credit for all his good work that he/team are doing on this the next 18 months in these areas.

Alaska
Northeast Maricopa County, Arizona
Tucson & Southeast Arizona
Corona & Palm Springs/Palm Desert, California
Pueblo, Grand Junction, and Durango, Colorado (and southwestern & southcentral part of the State generally)
Davenport, Iowa
Iowa City, Iowa
Lansing, Michigan
Omaha, Nebraska
Lehigh & Northhampton Counties, PA
Lackawanna & Luzerne Counties, PA
Cumberland, Dauphin, and York Counties, PA
Brighton, Commerce City, Greeley, Johnstown, Northglenn, and Thornton suburbs of Denver, CO
Southwest-CentralWest Wisconsin
Hampton Roads, Virginia

And he should identify some local grassroots people who care about their economy in the following 10 areas & do the same thing.

Stockton, CA (Lodi, Tracy, Manteca)
Merced/Madera, CA (and rural areas)
Santa Clarita, Palmdale, Lancaster, CA
Placentia, Brea, Cerritos, Westminster, CA
Sandusky, Toledo, Ohio
Canton, Akron, Ohio
Bend/Redmond & Albany/Lebanon & Molalla, OR
Vancouver/Longview, WA
Brownsville to Weslaco, TX
Maine (except Portland)


29 posted on 04/10/2025 6:50:06 PM PDT by Degaston
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To: Brian Griffin

Remember, both open Communists and closeted Communists are thieves. Don’t expect honesty and honest dealing from them.


30 posted on 04/10/2025 6:51:31 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Degaston

Well, I agree with you.

Sometimes, if you want to achieve your goals, a big bang approach can be too overwhelming and could scare the bejesus out of everyone, espcially if you are the world’s largest economy.

In 2017, Trump focused on China and NAFTA and there was not much of a ripple in the whole world. Now, he wants to take on China and the whole world at once.

Even though I agree on Trump’s concerns about unfair trade in principle, I’m not sure this big bang approach is a good idea. There’s the problem to be solved and the approach to solving the problem.


31 posted on 04/10/2025 7:05:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Brian Griffin

RE: However, because both me and the management company knew what I had to do, there was no problem whatsoever.

I’m trying to understand what this has to do with Trump Rejecting 0%-Tariff Trade Proposals. Can you explain?


32 posted on 04/10/2025 7:07:02 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Brian Griffin

RE: People in China generally have the option of buying Chinese, and they do. They don’t want to be seen as unpatriotic.

So, how is this going to solve our trade imbalance problem?

Even assuming China lowers its tariffs to an acceptable level and American goods start to flow in, if patriotic Chinese consumers still don’t buy American products (as you described in your post), that will result in some American exporters eventually pulling out of China due to unprofitability. If they do, How does that solve the trade imbalance?

You can force the Chinese government to lower her tariffs, but how do you force consumers to buy your goods ?

Consumer preference is organic and can’t be dictated without undermining the principles of democracy and capitalism. Forcing purchases would indeed veer into authoritarian territory, which is antithetical to the values the U.S. stands for.


33 posted on 04/10/2025 7:11:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Arcadian Empire

RE: The main value of a tariff on Thing A is to get Thing A made in America.

It’s not as easy as we think.

In theory, it’s possible for the United States to produce everything it needs locally, given its vast natural resources, advanced industries, and highly skilled workforce.

However, in practice, it would be extremely challenging and inefficient for several reasons:

Economic Costs: Producing everything domestically could lead to higher costs for goods and services due to differences in labor costs, resource availability, and economies of scale.

Specialization and Trade: Global trade allows countries to specialize in what they produce most efficiently. The U.S. relies on imports for goods that are cheaper or better produced elsewhere, maximizing global efficiency and benefiting consumers.

Supply Chain Complexity: Many industries, like electronics and pharmaceuticals, rely on intricate global supply chains. Re-creating these entirely within the U.S. would be daunting and might lead to disruptions or delays.

Resource Availability: While the U.S. is resource-rich, certain materials, like rare earth elements used in electronics, are more abundant in other regions, making imports necessary.

Attempting to fully localize production could disrupt global trade relationships and significantly impact economic growth. Like it or not, we live in an interconnected world.

Also, If you want to make THing A in the USA, it isn’t going to be IMMEDIATE, factories do not sprout up overnight.

I think Warehouses or basic manufacturing plants can be constructed in as little as 6 months, with some fast-tracked projects completed in about 4.5 months.

Larger and more intricate plants, such as those for automotive or semiconductor manufacturing, can take several years to complete. This includes time for land acquisition, zoning approvals, design, construction, and equipment installation. Heck by that time, Trump’s term might be over and we aren’t even sure who will be the President and who will control Congress.

ALso, there are Factors like labor shortages, supply chain disruptions, and regulatory hurdles that can extend the timeline.

Overall, while simpler projects might be up and running within a year, more advanced facilities could take 2-5 years to become fully operational.


34 posted on 04/10/2025 7:19:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

0% tariffs don’t benefit the USA because our labor costs are so much higher. The deal Trump should be negotiating is 0% on USA exports and an import tariff that equalizes and offsets the labor cost disparity. This, of course, would vary by country.


35 posted on 04/10/2025 7:32:32 PM PDT by Mozzafiato
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To: SeekAndFind

The Chinese are not going to buy USA products in any real metric.
They are going to pay to manufacture and sell products to the USA started with USA patents.

They should not be the benefactor of USA technology.

The growth and industry of the USA of course can be shared, but their should be a tariff for them to profit from it.

They copied the company I work for and all they were doing was reselling a product.

Big company BTW. 35B a year.


36 posted on 04/10/2025 7:46:56 PM PDT by eyedigress (Trump is my President!)
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To: usconservative; SeekAndFind

Anymore questions SeekAndFind?


37 posted on 04/10/2025 8:04:20 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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To: SoConPubbie; usconservative

Sure, let’s talk Then eliminate Quotas.

Argentina has offered to zero out tariffs to the USA. Not good enough you say.

You mentioned quotas.

Who’s imposing quotas? Argentina ALREADY has a beef export quota of 20,000 metric tons to the U.S. for 2025. This means that Argentina can only export up to that specified amount of beef to the U.S. during the year, ensuring the U.S. market is not oversaturated and domestic producers are not adversely affected.

Argentina imposes certain restrictions on US goods like licensing requirements.

Is Trump willing to do away with our quotas on Argentina’s beef in exchange for no restrictions on licensing requirements?

And the USA has trade surpluses with Argentina EVERY YEAR for the past 10 years except maybe 2024 when Argentina had a mere $232 million surplus.

So, in this case, we need to accept Millei’s offer as a good will gesture. I don’t see any reason why we have to make Argentina an issue. In fact, we can do a lot to calm the markets by looking at any other country similar to Argentina.


38 posted on 04/10/2025 8:43:33 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: glorgau

Like what? I honestly don’t know. And if that’s true why raise tariffs instead of adressing those none-tariff barriers?


39 posted on 04/10/2025 11:57:32 PM PDT by MoraBlack
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To: MrRelevant

I’m reading that all the time. Nobody ever explains who did exactly what. Can you please elaborate?


40 posted on 04/10/2025 11:59:29 PM PDT by MoraBlack
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