NATO is a Cold War relic that needs to be relegated to a talking kiosk at the Smithsonian.

X ^ | 3/2/25 | Thomas Massie

[hardspunned]

Elon Musk & @elonmusk

“I agree”

“Gunther Eagleman™ @ @GuntherEagleman • 8h It's time to leave NATO and the UN.”

[hardspunned]

It’s about time people are realizing our folly with NATO. 25 years late!

[DIRTYSECRET]

A League Of Democracies is in order. US calling the shots as to what a democracy is and which nations belong. Yearly reappointment.

[Rural_Michigan]

And the UN un-Nazi’d the world

[Dr. Franklin]

The world has changed since the end of WWII. Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay, the first NATO Secretary-General said NATO’s purpose was to “Keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down.” The Soviet Union collapsed long ago. NATO then expanded to take in the former Warsaw Pact countries that the USSR had occupied. Russia has no punched itself out in Ukraine fighting a small country using largely obsolete NATO weaponry. The U.S. can now leave NATO if it wants, and allow European leaders to claim the glory when Russia collapses again as in WWI, and Russia’s borders get shrunk, or it disintegrates as a nation-state.

[adorno]

It’s about time people are realizing our folly with NATO. 25 years late!

NATO was formed in 1949, which is 75 years ago.

But, what has changed that makes NATO irrelevant today? Is the threat from Russia not there anymore?

The U.S. is part of that NATO alliance. So, do we not need to be part of that alliance anymore? Is China not a threat anymore too?



(Asking for the youngest generation and generations not yet born)

[No.6]

In a reality-based world, Russia would have been offered conditions and a chance to *join* NATO after 1991.

Instead, in the service of what was then termed the ‘new world order’ and we now term ‘globalism’ the NATO agenda pivoted from protecting against an expansionist USSR to the destruction of Russia with fervor matching Russians’ return to the Orthodox faith.

You can’t have a neo-feudalist, materialist world government with a large chunk of the world still following Christ overtly. This was their idea of a takeaway from the USSR collapse; as long as there’s a better option or a truth outside their control people will choose it — so they’ve worked very hard to remove both.

[Kudsman]

There won’t be any future generations if one of our “allies” triggers Article 5. Amend the charter if we wish to remain. Let a fabulous negotiator renegotiate. The timing is right.

[ealgeone]

If a war happens with China it’s outside of the boundaries of NATO.

[PGalt]

Good idea... (George Washington’s Farewell Speech).

[Socon-Econ]

NATO’s European governing elites have become worse than the Russians. If these elites want a war with Russia, let them pay for it — and try to fight their wars with a solar-powered arms industry and recruits of women and Muslims trying to fight together.

[adorno]

The Soviet Union collapsed long ago.

True, but, what was left renamed itself as The Russian Federation, with the same leaders/rulers as the old Soviet Union. The Russians of today, led by Putin, still want to rule as the Soviets and their main goal is to reconstitute the Soviet Union, which Ukraine was one of the satellites.

NATO then expanded to take in the former Warsaw Pact countries that the USSR had occupied.

I wonder, were any of those former Soviet satellites/countries 'forced' to join NATO?

Russia has no punched itself out in Ukraine fighting a small country using largely obsolete NATO weaponry.

Russia expected the smaller country to be taken in a matter of weeks, especially since Ukraine had a much smaller military. Didn't happen. And three years later, Russia is still bogged-down in a war which they seemingly cannot conclude. The 'obsolete' NATO weaponry is bringing the fight to the Russians, who btw, are also using obsolete weaponry.

The U.S. can now leave NATO if it wants,

Won't happen, and no matter how much people wish it would happen, it would be devastating for the defense alliance countries in Europe and the U.S.

and allow European leaders to claim the glory when Russia collapses again as in WWI,

Russia is a weak country, economically and it actually was never strong economically. It's a third-world economy with a first-world military. But even that military has been weakened tremendously by the war in Ukraine, which has made Russia to seek aid and weaponry from China and N. Korea.

and Russia’s borders get shrunk, or it disintegrates as a nation-state.

Russia will still be the biggest country in the world, land-wise. Russia will not disintegrate as a country, and only it's leaders' ambitions for expansion need to be reigned in

[Dr. Sivana]

And the UN un-Nazi’d the world

Despite the threat of Trump being literally Charlie Chaplin.

[Right_Wing_Madman]

But, what has changed that makes NATO irrelevant today?

NATO doesn't work for two reasons:

1. It's an unfair one-way security agreement.

Europe expects the US to intervene if Europe is attacked, but Europe does not expect to intervene if the US is attacked. The 9/11 attacks are evidence of this.

2. It has caused Europe to neglect it defense and security requirements for the past 35 years.

Europe has depended on the US for defense, to the point that it can no longer provide for its own security, outside of maybe Poland.

If NATO deployed 500,000 troops to Ukraine to fight Russia, there would be about 450,000 US troops and 50,000 European troops and about half of the Euros would be Poles. Considering Europe has more people and about the same sized economy of the US, this troop ratio would be grossly unfair. NATO was supposed to be an equal partnership, but turned into a military welfare system for Europe.

Starmer talks about deploying 10,000 troops to Ukraine, but that's wishful thinking. The Brits can't even do that any more.

[Socon-Econ]

There’s another, bigger thing that has changed:

3. The Europeans that we were formerly defending against Russia are no longer worth defending — their elites are filed with Marxists, free speech censors, sexual degenerates, and green self-destructors.

[Bobalu]

NATO is a Cold War relic that needs to be relegated to a talking kiosk at the Smithsonian.

In the future this time will be looked upon as the beginning of the end...Unless Trump can outwit the globalists

[adorno]

There won’t be any future generations if one of our “allies” triggers Article 5. Amend the charter if we wish to remain. Let a fabulous negotiator renegotiate. The timing is right.

Article 5 is only triggered if one of the NATO countries is attacked by a country outside of the alliance. No country within the alliance will attack another within the alliance, but if that happens, it will not trigger article 5. You can't just invoke article 5 for no reason. If Russia does attack any of the NATO countries, then article 5 comes into play.

The treaty needs to remain and article 5 just makes the obvious clear, that if one is attacked, all are attacked. Trump was not elected to renegotiate the NATO alliance articles.

[adorno]

If a war happens with China it’s outside of the boundaries of NATO.

Article 5 of the NATO agreement says that if any NATO country is attacked, article 5 is triggered. The U.S. is a NATO country, which means that all of Europe would have to be involved in helping to defend the U.S. Afghanistan was not China or Russia and it was not a member of NATO, but, the Taliban in Afghanistan did attack the U.S. and all of NATO countries were called to help defend the U.S. So, China would be treated the same way as Afghanistan, and NATO countries would be involved.

[Kudsman]

Ok. If you like your article 5 you can keep your article 5. I don’t. I don’t want my kids held hostage by it anymore either.

[ealgeone]

IIRC there are specific boundaries for this.

[Fungi]

From what is out there, the US contributes 3.3 billion a year to the UN. WE SHOULD WITHDRAW and let it fold. It has become nothing more than a coomie mouthpiece. It is worthless.