Posted on 02/27/2025 6:16:45 PM PST by artichokegrower
Canadian wolves were released into Yellowstone National Park in 1995 and central Idaho in 1996 — but within a few years their territory and numbers had greatly expanded, along with their negative impact on livestock and elk herds.
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The wolves and elk lived in balance long before enviroweenies like you decided they could control wild populations better than nature.
This is all part of neo-paganism, where the creation is worshiped instead of the creator.
It is pushed by urban people who long for the illusion they are in “wilderness” and who don’t value people because they see so many of them every day.
I think the wolf in introduction is a good idea because it affects the behavior of prey animals like elk and deer and keep them from hanging out in the river bottoms eating the hell out of everything. If you’re a deer or an L hangs out too long by the river it gets eaten by wolves. I spent two winters in the Black Hills of Wyoming and its Sand Creek on the north side of the Black Hills. The deer are rampant and voracious. They eat everything and then in the winter they get into the artesian spring fed Sand Creek and eat all the aquatic creek vegetation to nothing. Without predators deer and sod turn into voracious vermin. This is come from a guy who ate a lot of elk and loves it.
The wolves and elk lived in balance long before enviroweenies like you decided they could control wild populations better than nature.
The studies of prey and predators do not show a balance in nature.
“Grey” wolves came to North America below Alaska about the same time as humans and grizzly bears. None of the three evolved in North America.
“Nature” is always in flux. Humans have successfully “managed” nature in the Americas for thousands of years before Europeans found their way to the Americas.
Dude, there is such a thing as the “balance of nature” and, without wolves, deer change their behavior and become a problem for the environment and people. In the two years that I lived in Wyoming my vehicle was hit three times by whitetail deer. Those jumpy bastards can go in any direction while you’re driving on the freeway and hit you. Many people there get an accident and are killed by these deer. There is an optimal balance, and it is out of whack right now.
Gotta read the article before making a fool out of yourself. I work in California agriculture. The environmentalists shut down the Point Reyes dairy farms because they thought that the cows were competing against the elk for habitat. In Idaho and Wyoming wolves were imported from Canada. They are eating the cattle but also taking out the native elk herds.
You’re uninformed. Wolves evolved in North America and they were all over the North American continent before they spread to Eurasia.
Without predators deer and sod turn into voracious vermin. This is come from a guy who ate a lot of elk and loves it.
If your description is correct, your Fish and Game department is doing a lousy job.
Human predators are quite capable of controlling deer and elk populations, if human hunters are allowed to do so.l
I think Saber-toothed Tigers should be re-introduced to California. Within a few years, the liberal population will greatly reduced by the Tigers.
Of course, the stupid liberals’ attempts to pet them will sure make it easier.
The men who settled our country worked hard to eradicate the wolf population due to the predator’s devastating effect on any type ranching. The wolves themselves pretty much have no natural predator so humans are the only ones who can keep their population from growing. People in D.C. are clueless and think of wolves as cute cartoon dogs and don’t realize the harm they cause or how deadly the animals can be.
It was foolish for the government to reintroduce the animals to the mid-west. Humans and wolves do not mix. Just because wolves were numerous in the past doesn’t mean they should be numerous now. Much the same as the Velociraptor. Do people think we should recreate those creatures and introduce them to the wilds of say..Louisiana?
Livelihoods are being destroyed and it is only a matter of time before the wolves kill a person. (I believe the last person killed by a wolf was 20 or so years ago and that was in Alaska.)
Carmel had (has) a major pig problem in the flats near the water treatment plant. Their solution was to cull half the number. It was repopulated in no time.
Government interference screws up everything. Government limits people from hunting deer and elk for food and sport so the population of those animals increase to the point of over-population. So, the government brings in wolves which many believe will control the population of deer and elk. But the wolves kill more farm and ranch animals instead and multiple quickly since they have no predator.
Let’s get rid of government regulations on the hunting of deer, elk, AND wolves for a few years, and the problem will soon be resolved.
There is nothing so bad the government can’t screw up and make worse.
Mother Nature is a bitch......controlling animal populations through hunting and trapping has been successful for generations. You’re the enviroweenie here. Yeah Mother Nature will attempt to control populations...through disease...it’s a beautiful thing....you probably live in concrete jungle
So you claim to be all for the natural world and the glory of nature and you want to turn America into a pathetic version of Europe where you can easily drop a deer because you essentially have them on a game farm. Pathetic. A true hunter would be thrilled to hunt in a natural wild setting. I suppose you pay to hunt on “game preserves” like the Euroweenies. You sound like a Disneyland hunter beneath contempt.
Here is an article about grey wolf evolution and migration into central North America.
You may find it educational.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4870223/
It discusses dire wolf v grey wolf v. Beringinian wolf, with fossil remains found at the Natural Trap Cave in Wyoming.
The grey wolf became common in central North America after about 11,500 BC. There seem to be some isolated fossils earlier. We have pretty decent fossil evidence of humans as early as 20,000 B.C. We have fair fossil evidence of grizzly bears a few thousand years later. (maybe an isolated grizzly bear fossil in Canada about 25,000 B.C.)
As you likely know dating fossils is probably only good to a few centuries.
To me, they are all pretty much contemporary migrants from Alaska and Canada as the glaciers retreated.
Probably all three were involved in the extinction of much of the megafauna in the Americas.
Virtually everyone agrees, grizzly bears, and grey wolves evolved in Eurasian, where modern humans, out of Africa evolved.
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Please explain why, or if, you are opposed to human hunters harvesting game?
The world has to be managed by humans.
The idea of a “balance of nature” is a lie and a scam.
If humans do not manage nature, it becomes real wilderness, far less productive than if man manages it. It is subject to wild ups and downs, enormous swings of populations, and enormous cruelty.
Are you against improving water supplies for game, so populations drop off to nothing, because of drought?
“Sod” was supposed to be “elk” but the tyranny of iPhone autocorrect did me wrong.
CFW wants to live in a Disneyland animal park where he can roam freely and pet the deer. How heroic.
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