Kremlin says Ukraine war will go on until Putin's goals are met on battlefield or by negotiation

Reuters via Yahoo ^ | December 10th, 2024 | Unattributed

[Mariner]

MOSCOW (Reuters) - The Kremlin said on Tuesday that the Ukraine war would continue until the goals set by President Vladimir Putin were achieved by military action or by negotiation.

Putin has demanded that Ukraine abandon its ambition to join NATO and withdraw fully from four regions of the country that Russia has claimed as its own - terms Kyiv has rejected as tantamount to surrender.

"The special military operation will end when all the objectives set by the president and commander-in-chief have been achieved," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters, using Moscow's term for the conflict.

"These goals can be achieved as a result of the special military operation or a result of relevant negotiations."

Peskov said no talks between Moscow and Kyiv were currently under way because "the Ukrainian side refuses any negotiations".

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy on Monday made the case for a diplomatic settlement to the war and raised the idea of foreign troops being deployed in Ukraine until it could join NATO.

[Mariner]

Irreconcilable differences.

There are only two ways to end this war:

- Direct US intervention

- Ukrainian capitulation

Ask yourself, what best serves US interests?

[Tench_Coxe]

"Ask yourself, what best serves US interests?"

The latter. But I am one of deplorables.
Fact is, there is no compelling US national interest there. If there were, make a formal declaration of war (which will never happen, which tells you everything you need to know).

[SaxxonWoods]

Z keeps demanding things he’s not going to get while losing land every day.

[Brian Griffin]

I suspect Russia will have the Kursk salient back in about a month.

The difference between a ceasefire and long-term Russian demands as of Trump taking office again would probably be:
1. Ukraine not in NATO
2. Ukraine officially neutral
3. no foreign troops/mercenaries in Ukraine
4. no missiles in Ukraine able to reach Moscow.

Russia does not need all of its assets held by the EU/USA back right away. If Russia doesn’t get those assets back on a reasonable schedule, Russia might void western intellectual property within the Russian Federation.

[BenLurkin]

Bring back the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Pony nations like Belarus and the Ukraine will go back to being peaceful provinces.

[Codeflier]

End the war with:

- No NATO for Ukraine
- An open election in Ukraine within 3 months - Zelensky will lose
- A DMZ that will hold it’s own referendum on which nation to join in 5 years.

[Brian Griffin]

“there is no compelling US national interest there”

The US computer industry is dependent on Taiwan.

Lindsey Graham and company want to smack Russia to keep Xi from invading Taiwan.

[dfwgator]

We’ll see, I suspect there a lot of “Art of the Deal” stuff going on.

[adorno]

Putin has demanded that Ukraine abandon its ambition to join NATO and withdraw fully from four regions of the country that Russia has claimed as its own - terms Kyiv has rejected as tantamount to surrender.

Sounds like a forever war that will be consuming all of the Russian military and a lot of Ukrainian military, and plenty of NATO/U.S. resources.

Unreasonable demands before negotiations will not stop the war, and a forever war could expand into a bigger war.

Russia cannot win this war, and Ukraine by itself cannot win this war. WW3 is already here, though not as hot as it could get.

[econjack]

..the Ukraine war would continue until the goals set by President Vladimir Putin were achieved by military action or by negotiation.

...or he is thrown out of office by his own gov't.

[rdcbn1]

Not sure the linkage here.

How does depleting the US war reserves and weakening US deterrence keep China from invading Taiwan

[adorno]

I suspect Russia will have the Kursk salient back in about a month.

Very unlikely. Russia has suffered huge losses in trying to take back the Kursk region, both in personnel and in equipment. Further, they don't have the economy to carry on with the war, and when the war is over (if ever), Russia will be a skeleton of its former self.

Russia won't win, and can't win.

[Mariner]

“Russia cannot win this war”

Why not?

Once the US ends military support, the Ukrainian lines will collapse.

Sure they could continue to fight a guerilla war and receive the Chechnya treatment. But the majority of the people in Ukraine have no stomach for that.

[BobL]

If we go in, we better hurry, since there are only 41 days to get it done before someone with a brain takes over power here.

[dfwgator]

Define “winning”?

I think that’s the key, Trump basically wants a solution that makes the Russians look like they “won”, it’s about allowing them to save some face. Maybe an assurance of Neutrality will do it.

[adorno]

How does depleting the US war reserves and weakening US deterrence keep China from invading Taiwan

Deterrence is a lot more than just conventional weaponry and conventional use of military personnel There is a lot more to the U.S. military than what has been used up by Ukraine and/or NATO.

[BobL]

“I suspect Russia will have the Kursk salient back in about a month.”

They already have most of it back and will not it being part of any negotiation, so I suspect that they will finish the job on your timetable. There’s also rumors that the Russians plan to sweep behind the Ukrainians and trap the forces there.

[PeterPrinciple]

https://business-explained.com/blog/win-win-negotiation-strategies-techniques-and-examples/

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The concept of a win/win in negotiation is understanding that you both might not want the same thing. There should be several items in the negotiation process. If the only point of negotiation is price, then it is a win/lose.

[adorno]

Once the US ends military support, the Ukrainian lines will collapse.

You think Trump will stop the military and economic support of Ukraine? If so, Trump will be seen as a lot weaker than Biden, as far as foreign policy and military support is concerned. Trump knows what the lesson of Afghanistan is, and I'm pretty sure he's not going to repeat an Afghanistan-like debacle. Which country would ever trust or depend on U.S. assistance again> Not one country would ever trust the U.S. again, and Trump won't risk that kind of huge loss in trust and prestige.

[adorno]

Maybe an assurance of Neutrality will do it.

Putin's demands are not about getting Ukraine to be neutrality, nor about the U.S. and/or NATO to be neutral. Ukraine was no threat to Russia, before the invasion, and the invasion was not about stopping Ukraine from joining NATO, nor about keeping NATO far from the Russian borders. Putin is about reconstitution of the Soviet Union, eve if under a different title.