Posted on 09/13/2024 5:03:48 PM PDT by hardspunned
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un reassured Russian Security Council Secretary Sergei Shoigu during a meeting in Pyongyang that the North Korean government will expand cooperation with Russia in the spirit of the two countries' comprehensive strategic partnership treaty, the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) reported.
The Russian Security Council said in a statement Friday that Shoigu visited Pyongyang on September 13, where he was received by Kim Jong Un.
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Do you think the discussion between Little Rocket Man and Shoigu touched on Putin’s conditional declaration of war yesterday?
I still contend the only reason the Ukes could have pulled such a boneheaded move as the Kursk Pocket was the fact that the Russians baited the Ukes and rope a doped the Ukes into the debacle. Art. 4 is another reason the Russians might have allowed this incursion to take place in the first place.
“The treaty comes as Russia continues to court North Korean support for its war in Ukraine and as tensions between North Korea and South Korea escalate. According to Article 4 of the treaty that Kim and Putin signed on June 19, North Korea and Russia "shall immediately provide military and other assistance" to the other party if it "falls into a state of war due to armed invasion from an individual or multiple states." The treaty stipulates that the assistance must be in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter, which preserves the right to "individual or collective self-defense" in response to an armed attack against a UN member. Putin told reporters after the summit that the treaty represents a "breakthrough" in Russia's relationship with North Korea and a "new level" of strategic partnership between the two countries.”
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They can see The Big Guy’s weakness. They can also see Kommie’s breathtaking weakness.
Hmmm, I was thinking same substituting President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris, respectfully.
Despite Bidens open dementia the cabal running him will respond to a Russian nuclear attack. If Russia uses a nuclear weapon against a NATO country, then this is what will happen to Russia in response.
About 45 million Russians will be vaporized in the first hour. Not much of a life remaining for the other 100 million.
Maybe the people of Russia should stop supporting Putin and deescalate the conflict?
The alliance with the Norks will not help and they will be vaporized as well should they decide to throw mud.
We are in dangerous times.
Meanwhile the TV seems to be mostly telling me that if we eat bugs and let ourselves be forced to buy electric cars only, the weather will get gooder.
Along with 150 million Americans dying with two weeks and We Win!
Are you insane? Don’t you realize the Russians have many more, better nukes AND delivery systems than we do. Don’t you know that?!?
Don’t you know that since WE pulled out of the ABM treaty, the Russians have been building ABM systems like mad? We’ve done nothing! Don’t you know that ?!?
Stop talking like an idiot. Realize that billions, including you and everyone you have ever known will die over Donbas if the escalation by DC continues.
It is termed "mutually assured destruction" with reason.
Mutual.
And assured.
The sad thing is that we have so much in common with the Russian people and we should be friends and allie, helping each other to not be bad actors on the world stage and confronting mutual adversaries.
Kim Jong Un is working hard to become a full member of the Axis with Russia-China and Iran. IF there is a war—a world war, North Korea is to pin down South Korea and Japan so they will stay neutral. Japan (for good reason) has a phobia against being nuked— If it looks like they might get a nuke on one of their cites they will stay out of the fight—or make a deal with the Axis. All they will give to the USA is moral support. Why should they risk destruction for a place in Europe or even Taiwan?
Let all "mutual adversaries" stand in a room with an inch deep pool of gasoline, all open our matchbooks, and all dare each other to be the first....
You have never been to Moscow or St Petersburg I take it. You would know they have nuclear shelters for the entire populations of both of those cities with the food and water for 6 months underground. Ever wonder why Moscow has the deepest subways in the world 180 feet down? Ride them you will know why they have giant blast doors on them making them miles long nuclear bunkers in side tunnels they have food water and medical supples plus bunks. The Russians have always believed and prepared for nuclear war with the West they intend to win it and that means having a good portion of their population survive. They set about that goal with civil defenses that make the West duck and cover as silly as it really is. It also shows you how much the political class in the US thinks of its subjects vs citizens in Russia where the motherland intends for them to survive. Russia has a tactical first use SOP and they will of pushed into a corner use it. They can have in half an hour most of there citizens underground in the major cities in Russia. NATO would set their pants if Russia lit up a tactical nuke and really nothing more. Russia has its SS18 bunker busters and city killers from the cold war still, they also have nearly impossible to find and hit first strike road and rail mobile ICBMs. The trident system is the only thing they fear and that’s a second strike weapon from the West their birds would already be wiping out cities before those SLBMs make impact. In a thermonuclear war China wins by demographics they could loss 800 million and still have 200 million Han Chinese to rebuild the gene pool. Russia will have at least 30 million under ground and safe. The West good luck and duck and cover y’all. The USA would lose every major city and its population since no bunkers were built and all the fall out shelters were decom after the cold war. You sometimes see pls faded signs above basements but the supplies and air filters are long gone so they are useless its a tomb without air filters or food for months underground. I know of the former bunkers under the Founder’s building at UTD they were built to hold the scientists from UTD which was founded for Texaco and TI geophysical back where out govt cared they intended to keep critical engineers and scientists alive in bunkers not anymore those spaces are now labs for electron microscopy and Xrays the thick walls are perfect for Xray shielding. My staff pass still opens the doors to those deep spaces here again without food and air filters you won’t survive in them long.
We ate doing that now, don’t you realize?
Please let us not kid ourselves that what we are doing now is any safer than what you propose.
I appreciate the detail.
Not advocating for trying to trying to destroy them. My point is that current administration is hell bent on continuing this by given the Ukes just enough to not lose quickly. I think we should change our policy. If the US and NATO absolutely will not force a cease fire and end then how should our current strategy change? Russia might be willing to keep this up for 20 more years. Are we?
Thanks for the question. I do realize, which is why I stated what I did.
As to what I propose: 1) Vote Trump to deny the Democrats, and vote against every down-ticket Democrat and RINO as possible, 2) "invite" the UN out of the US, 3) take the US out of NATO, given that we are about 350 million and Europe is 450 million, so they should have been paying more than we have been, 4) return US troops to the US and tighten the borders with their help, and 5) abrogate the US debt as in the biblical "jubilee year" and shutter the Fed. As to "first strike," state the US will only use nuclear deterrence as a response to nuclear attack, and have a stance of shooting off everything we've got as that second strike. That should clarify the "room of gasoline" metaphor.
What do you propose? Limited nuclear exchanges? New land war in Eastern Europe? Curious am I.
Thank you for the reply, I figured you meant that.
Since Obama Biden WON’T back down; not an table option.
And I believe what they are determined to keep doing WILL land us in a nuclear exchange and not on any “good” terms of such, I think there is only escalation of the non nuclear battle to be tried.
This may STILL land us in a nuclear exchange with Russia but it may not, where as what Obummer and Biden ARE currently doing will most certainly get us there and on the bad end of a first strike.
I’m no Quasimodo on predicting things mysteriously and don’t pretend to be.
The phrase go big or go home comes to mind.
We micromanaged incremental escalation and de escalation to death, literally, in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. We seemed to have learned nothing from that.
Yes, we should not be in Ukraine but we ARE.
Does it do anyone any good to pretend we aren’t? Or that Obummer Biden will pull out tomorrow? They won’t. Or that Putin will withdraw tomorrow? He won’t.
Will Putin keep fighting there for 20 years while We incrementally fight to not lose?
Mayybe he would.
Would we hang in for 20? Why? All the while risking nuclear escalation.
Stop letting Putin and Russia control and drive the narrative while we only react, half heartedly. We should act and drive the narrative and let them worry and react.
Unless you all are content to lose slowly while Ukraine is ground to bits
That is what is happening now. This should be resolved within 6 months from now in one way or another period.
Thanks for the reply, but I read the above as unspecific. To your view, how specifically should we "act?"
I think it would be less dangerous to escalate what Ukes are getting from the West and stop limiting how they use it, since they are the ones currently dying in the fight. Might get them to where this could be a negotiated end faster. What we are doing now won’t.
Yes, risk of miscalculation and drawing a suicidal nuke response from Russia but since when do we give them the final say on our foreign policy?
Did the Russians and Chinese hesitate and hold back helping the North Koreans and Norh Vietnamese against US because they were afraid we might escalate? Did they? No.
Russia China and the Norks should fear OUR unpredictable escalation here, not the other way around. Turn the narrative upside down and move this to an end, not wait and fear not getting the their approval for how we act. Unfortunately Obummer Biden have gotten us here to a weak, loving position where nobody really fears a mighty and unpredictable escalation by our side. That was a mistake. Can it be fixed in the short term, I don’t know.
Thank you for your reply and question; I am being thoughtful and respectful here. We are in the wrong position as is. This isn’t beanbag we are playing at and cowering in a reactive only manner will not improve the position for us or the Ukes.
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