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Unqualified Colonel Crashed Apache Helicopter: F-35 pilot flying Apache had 35 minutes of sim time.
AvWeb ^ | September 3, 2024 | Russ Niles

Posted on 09/03/2024 4:31:10 AM PDT by billorites

An Army investigation found an F-35 pilot with no previous experience in the type was at the controls of an Apache attack helicopter when it crashed at a base in Utah last February. According to KUTV, which got a copy of the report, the pilot was a colonel and he had 35 minutes of sim time in the Apache before he took off on an orientation flight with a Master Warrant Officer who was qualified in the type.

The investigation found that on the colonel's fourth attempt to hover and land the Apache at the army facility at West Jordan Airport, the colonel lost control. “In a moment of panic and due to his great unfamiliarity with the … helicopter flight controls,” an investigator wrote, “the [colonel] reverted to his fixed-wing … training and applied downward movement…. This motion … was not the proper input in a [rotor wing] aircraft.” The investigation also found fault with the Master Warrant Officer saying “overconfidence … led to inadequate aircraft flight control management and inadequate altitude selection with an unqualified person on the helicopter's flight controls.”


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I don't know how it works in the Army, but wouldn't a Flight Release Officer have had to sign off on this flight?
1 posted on 09/03/2024 4:31:10 AM PDT by billorites
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To: billorites

This sounds like a National Guard event/management style.


2 posted on 09/03/2024 4:33:41 AM PDT by pepsionice
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Sounds like kamala Harris running the country after 30 minutes playing “Sim city” .


3 posted on 09/03/2024 4:44:53 AM PDT by Ikeon (If i gave you my motives, you would use it as ammunition against my free will)
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To: billorites

An MWO was in the other seat.

That’s a lot of aircraft to learn rotary in. Not exactly fly by wire F35. No computer to catch mistakes.


4 posted on 09/03/2024 4:49:30 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: billorites

That isn’t going tpo buff out, Colonel...


5 posted on 09/03/2024 4:50:23 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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The colonel in the seat of his “bucket “
6 posted on 09/03/2024 4:55:44 AM PDT by Vaquero (In Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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I worked for a couple of former colonels. My problem with them is they expected reality to conform to what they wanted it to be. When it didn’t, they got angry.


7 posted on 09/03/2024 5:00:35 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: billorites

DEI causes DIE!


8 posted on 09/03/2024 5:02:45 AM PDT by CFW
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Not long ago I would have said to send him the bill for everything, including the unauthorized simulator time, damaged aircraft, and emergency response.

This colonel, destroying this aircraft stateside, saved the taxpayer the cost of shipping it overseas and kept it out of the hands of some globalist minion.

9 posted on 09/03/2024 5:04:39 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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The U.S. Army can buy one back from the Taliban.


10 posted on 09/03/2024 5:07:21 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: billorites

Sad trombone.


11 posted on 09/03/2024 5:07:50 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Trump/Vance 2024 or GFY)
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To: Ikeon; Liz; SunkenCiv; Red Badger; BobL; SJackson
Sounds like kamala Harris running the country after 30 minutes playing “Sim city” .

An apt analogy. Except the Obama-Biden-Harris intention in SimCity is to destroy the US. UK. And Israel.

No word on the colonel's name, sex, age, nor desired-person-title. USAF F-35 pilot thinking he/she/it could fly an army helicopter? Much less hover?

12 posted on 09/03/2024 5:10:21 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (Method, motive, and opportunity: No morals, shear madness and hatred by those who cheat.)
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Sounds like DEI. It’s racist to expect a helicopter to be more difficult than a sim...particularly if math and science were involved.


13 posted on 09/03/2024 5:10:24 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people avoid it.)
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To: billorites

Colonel or lieutenant colonel?


14 posted on 09/03/2024 5:11:28 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie ( @whoisourPresident)
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To: billorites

What us a master warrant officer?


15 posted on 09/03/2024 5:13:02 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie ( @whoisourPresident)
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CWO2


16 posted on 09/03/2024 5:18:45 AM PDT by Colt1851Navy (What was wrong with Nixon?)
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This maroon demolished a very expensive Apache helicopter>>>>

“Apache helicopters are some of the world’s best military choppers, so unsurprisingly they are also amongst the most expensive in the world, costing anywhere between $60 to $130 million.”


17 posted on 09/03/2024 5:20:18 AM PDT by dennisw
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“inadequate altitude selection”

Is that an accident report way of saying “ crashed”?


18 posted on 09/03/2024 5:29:18 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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“I don’t know how it works in the Army, but wouldn’t a Flight Release Officer have had to sign off on this flight?”

An instructor sign off in the logbook of the Colonel would need to be made however, that’s only for rotorcraft pilots when learning a different rotorcraft type. An F-35 is a fixed wing AC so that wouldn’t apply here. Besides that, you have a mix of Army-Air Force Aircraft and Officers.
It seems, initially anyway, that some heads are going to roll over this one. But, my limited knowledge is 40 years old and may be unreliable.


19 posted on 09/03/2024 5:34:08 AM PDT by Gary from Dayton (Army Vet 1986-1991 unburdened by what I was burdened by before.)
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“I don’t know how it works in the Army, but wouldn’t a Flight Release Officer have had to sign off on this flight?”

An instructor sign off in the logbook of the Colonel would need to be made however, that’s only for rotorcraft pilots when learning a different rotorcraft type. An F-35 is a fixed wing AC so that wouldn’t apply here. Besides that, you have a mix of Army-Air Force Aircraft and Officers.
It seems, initially anyway, that some heads are going to roll over this one. But, my limited knowledge is 40 years old and may be unreliable.


20 posted on 09/03/2024 5:34:20 AM PDT by Gary from Dayton (Army Vet 1986-1991 unburdened by what I was burdened by before.)
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