What could have been interesting discussion on this thread turned out to be bickering among members.
I recall a time when there was unity here. There were occasional issues, but nothing like now.
I’m of the suspicion much of the general agitation going on is caused by outside agitators.
Same with the Vance and Trump live threads. At least for me and a few people, we have opinions, share them. And sometimes have to remind people that differing views are good, we need to speak up, and was with Trump's recent idea to give visas to graduating foreign students so they can stay and compete with our kids, the message is heard and he changed direction.