Posted on 08/12/2024 2:45:43 AM PDT by Apparatchik
FACT: The people of Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk voted for the President that was illegal removed from power. In fact, in cities like Mariupol, the Ukrainian army got into firefight with police that opposed that illegal coup and forced themselves on the people of that city.
The people in Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk, where ethnic Russians are the largest ethnic group, were UNDER NO OBLIGATION to remain part of a country whose government was formed illegal and was PERSECUTING AND KILLING THEM.
FACT: The Minsk Accords would have prevented this war. Ukraine signed it and reneged on it with the encouragement of Angela Merkel and François Hollande.
FACT: We promised the Russians no eastward expansion of NATO in the early '90s and break our promise. We expanded NATO to the Russian border.
FACT: We funded, trained and armed a 600,000 man army in Ukraine on Russia's border, which absolutely was a national security threat to the Russian Federation.
We are closer to WW III and nuclear war thanks to the Biden regime, neocons and morons like you. We've pushed Russia into a dangerous alliance with China. Our actions have given rise to BRICS, which threatens the dollar as the world's reserve currency.
All those are facts, ones you can't refute and won't try to refute.
All you have are lies and insults.
So, you're going to ignore the points I made because you can't refute them and go back to believing in make-believe propaganda.
Here's reality:
Russian Breakthrough In Niu York And Toretsk l Russian Counterattack Gains Momentum In Kursk Oblast
Russia is gaining territory daily Ukraine will never get back.
Ukraine is occupying territory in Russia that it has no ability to hold, all while diverting resources from the frontlines of the real war.
That you're celebrating what is a suicide mission by the Ukrainian army is proof conclusively of what a dunce you are.
Your “facts” are nothing more that Kremlin talking points and tropes that have been disproven over and over, silly man.
For example, the Ukrainian Armed Forces consisted of 130,000 in 2014 - the year Russia invaded (remember that?). By the following year, it grew to nearly twice that as Kyiv moved to eject the Russians and restore control over the territories that Russia legally acknowledged belonged to Ukraine. Still this number is far short of the ridiculous 600,000 you cite.
Furthermore, the Orange revolution and Maidan protests were not a “coup” nor was the US behind them, although we supported the Ukrainian people’s right to self determination. We also never promised anything about eastward NATO enlargement in the 90s, except that no US troops would be stationed in the former East Germany (which we have kept, by the way).
Your Kremlin talking points and your suspicious inability to properly use articles like “a” and “the” are a pretty good induction of what you are.
You have no credibility here, my creepy little prevaricating friend. You are done here.
So, the only point could even attempt to dispute, you got wrong. Zelensky, you MORON, bragged about Ukraine having 600,000 troops 😀 You're a clown.
President Zelenskyy reveals nearly 600,000 soldiers fighting in Ukraine's Ground Forces
The Ukrainian ground forces comprise nearly 600,000 soldiers across all branches, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said in a statement on Telegram, congratulating Ukraine’s troops on Ground Forces Day on Dec. 12.
And, you didn't even try to refute the other points BECAUSE THEY ARE TRUE and reflect our and Western elite's lack of a moral compass.
You might want to quit while you're behind or I will humiliate you even further.
But, scum like you is defending the evil and corruption within our own government, evil and corruption that is an abomination to God.
You are missing the point, but that’s not surprising.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, when Ukraine’s army was 130,000. I don’t dispute that the Ukrainian armed forces has SINCE grown to 600,000 - that’s understandable and even necessary when your country is invaded. Your post #19 attempted to justify the invasion by implying the West “trained, funded and armed a 600,000 man army”, but that is not the case.
As for the rest of your silly “unassailable facts”, I think I have addressed enough of them to show how you are lying across the board. I could easily refute more of them by digging up and citing actual facts, but you’re not worth the time or effort. You already have a reputation here for being a Russian cheerleader and apologist, so your credibility is shot.
You might need to re-examine what you believe by checking the facts yourself. Russia is not, and has never been, a force for good in the world - they only seek to dominate and control out of their own historical fear and paranoia. You attempt to justify them and seek a path of accommodation. The rest of us recognize Russia for what it is and will not tolerate their behavior, especially when it disrupts the peace and security of other nations. You seem to share Russia’s paranoia and it has destroyed your credibility. Seek truth, but don’t be swallowed up by conspiracy and propaganda, like too many here on FR.
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