Charles Ortel is CLOSING IN – Joe is Lost with Special Guest John Cullen (Forensic Discussion of Trump Assassination Attempt)

Youtube ^ | 7/17/2024 | Crowdsource the Truth 12

[mbrfl]

This is an interesting discussion with John Cullen about his forensic investigations into the Trump assassination attempt. For those of you familiar with Crowdsource the Truth, they can be frustratingly annoying to watch because their free videos only give you and introduction to the topic of discussion. The rest of the conversation takes place behind a pay wall. I guess they've got to do what they've got to do. But that not withstanding, the free portion of this episode is still worth a watch.

[Steve Van Doorn]

40°51'31.3"N 79°58'08.4"W This is the water tower. Google map doesn't have the bleachers but I believe they're in the way.

There was no line of site IMO from the water tower. I agree it was from the building where the shooter was killed. No place else.

[mbrfl]

I haven’t completely analyzed Cullen’s argument yet. Have you had a chance to see this diagram?

https://x.com/I_Am_JohnCullen/status/1813775132596572281/photo/3

[politicket]

If Cullen had anything then he would publicly release it as a Patriot of our nation. Hiding his “information” for Patreons tells me his desire is in a different direction.

[mbrfl]

He’s shared it on his X account.

[mbrfl]

Looking at Cullen’s diagram, I’m not sure I agree with his conclusion that the shot that hit Trump’s ear came from the water tower. If you assume Trump facing forward is 0 degrees, angle of Crook’s shot was about 80 degrees and the angle from the water tower is, perhaps 130 degrees, or there-abouts. The tilt of Trump’s head at the time of impact is closer to the angle of Crook’s line of sight than that of the water tower.

[Steve Van Doorn]

Doesn't need any analyzing. The bleachers are in the line of sight to where Trump was standing and the water Tower. Look yourself.
Though google maps doesn't have the bleachers you can see it was in that path. The water tower wasn't tall enough to fire over the bleachers.
40°51'31.3"N 79°58'08.4"W

[struggle]

In addition, vanguard and blackrock used an Austin investment firm to pump in expectation of a short in djt stock ahead of the assassination attempt, showing that people in the financial sector knew about the assassination attempt ahead of time and were planning to make money on the put they placed on Friday before.

People knew and they were going to make money off of it.

[Vendome]

Well, you’re mistaken

I have been asking “Why is no one talking about the water tower¿”

It is 100yrds East of the shooter

90 feet in the air.

Anyone stationed there would have unobstructed views of the building where the assassin became was/were

Further, it provided a clear view of the president and, in fact, the area ti the highway and beyond in the west

As well, the entire ground of Butler County Fair Grounds south and west

See here https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-17/trump-shooting-3d-model-of-showground-rally-site/104104418

[21twelve]

Some folks think a sniper on the water tower shot the bad guy. Saying the shooter had an exit wound at the right ear/neck.

Photos of the dead shooter IIRC showed his body more than half-way down the backside of the roof, and his rifle 10 feet off to the side of his body.

I suppose he MIGHT have slid down if he was at the ridge line of the roof, but it didn’t seem steep enough. Would the police have moved his rifle farther away from the body? I would think by the time they got on the roof it was obvious that he was dead.

[9YearLurker]

Cullen appears to me to be an intel asset who muddies the water around something with a grain of truth.

[Steve Van Doorn]

said, "100yrds East of the shooter"
No relevance. The target was Trump not the assassin. Why bring up that statistic?

It was 255 yards from Trump was standing and the walking area was about 75 feet high. No one would get on top of the tower that is impractical and easily spotted. Either way it's no where near high enough to clear the bleachers.

[Steve Van Doorn]

said, "Cullen appears to me to be an intel asset who muddies the water around something with a grain of truth."

During the whole Las Vegas BS. He was doing just that.

Tons of evidence the sound came from the Mandalay bay. Though he would stick to his idea it came from an area behind and to the right of Mandalay bay in the air. There was one other location that it could've came from that was behind the MGM where shell casings where found.

Though it wasn't paddock that did the killing. Sprayed bullets would've have killed as many people at that great of a distance. The FBI/BATF also tried to ban silencers after the LV attack. Suggesting the attackers used silencers.

[9YearLurker]

Interesting, thanks.

[Steve Van Doorn]

Another model. No great video of that area that i seen on video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVA7aXOH1pk

[Vendome]

Why was no one on that tower?

[Vendome]

So far, no one is saying there was a sniper on that tower.

There should have been

And if there was they are malign or incompetent

[Steve Van Doorn]

Because it was a set up.
The tower was out of the "protective boundary." Assuming the USSS counter snipers where not in on it. That alone should've been a huge red flag for them. I think they where either idiots or lack of experience. As in my brake down of the event here. USSS Sniper team two did take out the assassin.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4252265/posts?page=6#6

[mbrfl]

It needs to be analyzed if one is to determine if it’s true or not. But I agree with you that the water tower theory doesn’t make sense, once I had a chance to look at it his diagram more closely. Separate and aside from the height of the water tower, the line of sight is wrong.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4252262/posts?page=6#6

[mbrfl]

No I don’t think that’s it, although I don’t agree with him in this particular instance. His theory on the Vegas shooting is compelling. Anyway, one of the reasons I linked to the video was because of some of the other information he shares, just about ballistics in general, that I think is worth listening to for a lot of people who may not be that familiar with the subject.