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'A fundamental security failure': How did a gunman open fire on a Trump rally?
NBC News ^ | July 14, 2024 | Jon Schuppe, Janelle Griffith, Rich Schapiro and Dasha Burns

Posted on 07/14/2024 6:26:30 AM PDT by DoodleBob

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To: PA Presbyterian
Did the SS wait until Trump was shot and then eliminate the shooter?

Video with sound recordings clearly show that was the case. And the SWAT team appeared to have the assassin in their scopes before shots were fired. I believe the counter-snipers were from the local SWAT team and not Secret Service.

I do not see any good explanation for this, unless one of the "facts" is wrong.

What did the CS team see and when did they see it? What were their rules of engagement? Did they get an alert from their commanders before the shots were fired?

Witnesses were screaming to authorities for a good three minutes about a man with a rifle on the roof. They even videoed the whole event. What happened to those warnings? And what happened to those videos? They were posted on Twitter. They showed the assassin firing and being killed by return fire.

161 posted on 07/14/2024 8:27:08 AM PDT by flamberge (Only the dead have seen the end of war (Proverbial))
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To: gundog

Where were the drones?


162 posted on 07/14/2024 8:29:47 AM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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To: Plexi

FBI has no details at this time. Just said the secret service is not available for a press conference at this time.


163 posted on 07/14/2024 8:29:58 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Paul R.
No, if the witness accounts are correct, the assassin was out of view behind the roofline (peak of roof) until he popped over

Everything happened very fast, but I think you are correct.

164 posted on 07/14/2024 8:30:27 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: Boardwalk

No, you wait until you can actually see the shooter above the roofline (or someone shouts a bogey has done so), get him in the sight (in the one vid you can see the sniper raise his head and reposition his rifle to do so), get the crosshairs on the shooter, and fire.) Oh, yeah, in the process ascertaining the figure you see is not a fellow LEO somehow in the wrong place (except that there SHOULD have been an LEO or two up there) and what the hell that figure is doing.

The real question here is why wasn’t the back side of that roof secured. That is inexcusable.


165 posted on 07/14/2024 8:33:02 AM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: DoodleBob

WORSE than inexusable to the point of deliberate.


166 posted on 07/14/2024 8:34:37 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (A government of the government, by the government, for the government)
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To: DoodleBob

Yesterday, I watched this guy tell about how he and other people saw an armed man crawl on the roof with a rifle, and
law enforcement people listened to them and did nothing.

Below this, is the BBC story covering the shootings and what
he and others tried to tell the enforcement people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c51yly4085lo


167 posted on 07/14/2024 8:36:17 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (3+ years! That is the longest, the U.S.A. has ever gone without a real president!)
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To: hole_n_one

Jason Bourne, Operation Treadstone. CIA created zombie assassins.


168 posted on 07/14/2024 8:37:13 AM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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To: Paul R.

According to James Okeefe he has received video from drone footage showing the guy on the roof. Their drone. They knew he was there. THEY KNEW. They knew he was on that roof. They should have started suppressive fire at the roofline Ping, ping, ping to keep his head down and told the SS team to get Trump off the stage. This isn’t rocket science. The whole thing is beyond belief.

Here’s your three choices
Those guys are worthless
Those guys are poorly trained
Those guys were told not to shoot

I’m going with door #3


169 posted on 07/14/2024 8:38:39 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: DoodleBob

Yesterday, I watched this guy tell about how he and other people saw an armed man crawl on the roof with a rifle, and
law enforcement people listened to them and did nothing.

Below this, is the BBC story covering the shootings and what
he and others tried to tell the enforcement people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c51yly4085lo


170 posted on 07/14/2024 8:39:06 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (3+ years! That is the longest, the U.S.A. has ever gone without a real president!)
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To: Manic_Episode

Somewhere very likely a new assasin is being groomed.


171 posted on 07/14/2024 8:39:49 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: CodeToad

You got that one right!


172 posted on 07/14/2024 8:40:10 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

A Google earth 3d search of the buildings at ARG International do not appear to show any fixed exterior ladders for roof access. There also do not appear to be any roof access hatches on any of the facility roofs. How did he get on the roof...~ fifteen feet high?

I’m using my phone, so by resolution may be poor.

Brought a ladder?
Had one prestaged?


173 posted on 07/14/2024 8:42:21 AM PDT by Z28.310 (does not comply well with others)
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To: yldstrk

The perimeter was deliberately too tiny.>>>> The perimeter included the donut shop. That’s about all.


174 posted on 07/14/2024 8:42:57 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: GreenHornet

speaking of idiotic statements:

“after Donald Trump said he suffered a graze wound on his right ear”

in other words, we have only trump’s word that he was wounded [and we all know that trump is a liar]


175 posted on 07/14/2024 8:43:54 AM PDT by catnipman ((A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil))
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To: DoodleBob

CNN is now reporting that explosives were found in the shooter’s vehicle and residence.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-biden-trump-07-13-24/index.html


176 posted on 07/14/2024 8:44:36 AM PDT by rdl6989 ( )
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To: Georgia Girl 2

If the security drone was in the air that is proof the SS managers were in on it.


177 posted on 07/14/2024 8:44:36 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: GreenHornet

an yet another of a plethora of idiotic statements:

“Crooks fired multiple shots at the stage from a roof outside the venue’s security perimeter”

no, you dumbfcks, he did not shoot outside the SECURITY perimeter, he shot outside the venue perimeter ... the SECURITY perimeter is vastly larger than the venue perimeter ...


178 posted on 07/14/2024 8:46:28 AM PDT by catnipman ((A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil))
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To: DoodleBob

And to boot the roof had a clear sightline to the evac route.


179 posted on 07/14/2024 8:47:25 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: GreenHornet

They got the headline right! Where was the agent who should have been posted on the rooftop?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mayorkas-denied-repeated-requests-more-secret-service-protection-trump-gop-lawmaker-says


180 posted on 07/14/2024 8:49:12 AM PDT by Brown Deer
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