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It was an honorary naturalization.

Naturalization under the current Constitution falls under Article II (powers of Congress).

NFN but the 14th Amendment is really nothing more than a glorified naturalization statute.

The language you refer to with respect to Lafayette is similar in a certain way to that used by Adams in his treaty draft. Rights held by U.S. NBCs granted by (draft) treaty to British natural born subjects.

Busy now. Go look for it, you’ll find it.


118 posted on 07/16/2024 11:59:19 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: one guy in new jersey
It was an honorary naturalization.

Please quote any part that says a mumbling word about honorary.

II. Be it enacted, by the general assembly of Maryland, That the marquis de la Fayette, and his heirs male for ever, shall be, and they and each of them are hereby deemed, adjudged, and taken to be, natural born citizens of this state, and shall henceforth be entitled to all the immunities, rights and privileges, of natural born citizens thereof, they and every of them conforming to the constitution and laws of this state, in the enjoyment and exercise of such immunities, rights and privileges.

By the Senate, Dec. 28, 1784
Read and assented to.
By Order.
J. Dwight

By the House of Delegates,
December 28th, 1784.
Read and assented to.
By Order.
W. Harwood

WM. PACA

George Washington to Lafayette, 23 December 1784

[excerpt]

P.S. You & your heirs, Male, are made Citizens of this State by an Act of Assembly—You will have an Official Accot of it—this is by the by.2

[...]

2. By “this State” GW means Maryland. On 22 Jan. 1785 Gov. William Paca signed “An act to naturalize major-general the marquis de la Fayette and his heirs male for ever” (Md. House of Delegates Proceedings).

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The language you refer to with respect to Lafayette is similar in a certain way to that used by Adams in his treaty draft.

You have not produced a single word of any such document, or any evidence of its existence.

NFN but the 14th Amendment is really nothing more than a glorified naturalization statute.

LMAO. 14A, Section 1 is called the CITIZENSHIP CLAUSE for a reason. It does not confer naturalization upon anyone.

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

Busy now. Go look for it, you’ll find it.

No. It is your imaginary document. You look for it. If you find it, I will consider it.

As shown by the introduction of the 14A citizenship clause by Mr. Howard, his intent of the clause was quite clear and specific.

https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=11

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The ques­tion is on the amendments proposed by the Senator from Michigan, [Mr. Howard.]

Mr. HOWARD. The first amendment is to section one, declaring that "all persons born in the United States, and subject to the juris­diction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside." I do not propose to say anything on that sub­ject except that the question of citizenship has been so fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.

Wong Kim Ark at 169 U.S. 662-63:

In United States v. Rhodes (1866), Mr. Justice Swayne, sitting in the Circuit Court, said: "All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens.

120 posted on 07/16/2024 3:39:52 PM PDT by woodpusher
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