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Russia says U.S. is responsible for deadly Ukrainian attack on Crimea
Reuters ^ | June 23rd, 2024 | Guy Faulconbridge and Filipp Lebedev

Posted on 06/23/2024 10:32:25 AM PDT by shadowlands1960

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To: BobL

That’s right. They are being demobilized and disarmed. NATO spend billions of dollars to train 1.2m Ukrainian soldiers at time when the Russia military worldwide was under 380,000 men. Gee, I wonder why Russia wasn’t going to put up with a 1.2m army sitting on its border and threatening them with NATO missile deployment? Only 450,000 left to eliminate, plus anything they can drag out of the basements to the front for cannon fodder.


181 posted on 06/23/2024 8:08:54 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: tlozo

Did we use satellite data and Americans to program the weapon coordinates? This is the stage of the conflict now. These are the facts. The German government let that cat out of the bag last August with an unsecure line in NATO conference call.


182 posted on 06/23/2024 8:11:16 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: buwaya

Sorry, but Russia was not for sale as was Ukraine. Most of what Ukraine sold off to the West is now or soon going to be under Russian Management. Ukraine will be the worst investment the western nations ever made - but anything left of Ukraine after the war will be the 51st State of America because they are bankrupted and owe more than what will be left.


183 posted on 06/23/2024 8:14:08 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: buwaya

American foreign policy was flipped on its head with the electoin of Obama. The greed and corruption of this Nation since his election has destroyed any good will the world had for us as our chief exports became War and LGBT and enforced illegal immigraton in the West.


184 posted on 06/23/2024 8:15:59 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: tlozo

Not to be forgotten are the MINSK DECEPTIONS I & II, and the ISTANBUL Concessions. Merkel stated all those negotiations and agreements were just to trick the Russians.

When Trust is destroyed, there are Wars. If NATO wants to fight a defensive war in Russia that puts all Europe and maybe the US too on the proverbial hot seat... radiation.

The people of Russia are primed and want blood - just as the west has be propogandized by it’s leaders, the Russian people see the war firsthand and they are fired up today.

Those Global Hawks won’t be making their rounds much longer after today. The bases they fly from are fair game under Biden’s rules of engagement hitting bases in Russia.

There goes the neighborhood.


185 posted on 06/23/2024 8:22:27 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: ansel12

Yea, and thats why over half the global population is rushing into the Brics, right. The misuse of the US Swift System coupled with our threats and over-valued USD have them running for gold backed trade. Even Luxembough stopped using the USD this week in contracts for the first time.

The US can no longer afford to print it’s way into another Biden Term for Obama’s 4th round as president.


186 posted on 06/23/2024 8:26:28 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

R U insane?


187 posted on 06/23/2024 8:31:27 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp??)
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To: Jumper

Wow, pretty far off from being about my post.


188 posted on 06/23/2024 8:33:53 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Jumper

I think you have a very skewed view of the world.
It comes, I think, from seeing not much more than domestic politics.

Imho thats not the impression I get. I was just in Taipei and Manila a few weeks ago.


189 posted on 06/23/2024 9:10:36 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Jumper

You are proclaiming with no facts.

And countries being “for sale”, as if that is a problem, is dumb economics. You sound like the 1980s characters complaining that the Japanese were buying everything in the US.

The Chinese got rich by encouraging FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) back in the 1980s-2010s. Thats how they built an industrial base. The Russians did the same, they were “for sale”, in the 1990s-2010s. Thats how they got their oil and gas production going.

It sounds good as propaganda of course, those evil foreigners buying everything with their nasty dollars. It was, naturally, one of the themes of Soviet propaganda, but they didnt invent it.

The problem is there might be idiots that believe it, and so cripple their countries. Its one reason that Argentina became what it is.


190 posted on 06/23/2024 9:23:15 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Jumper

The Ukrainians were training classes of conscripts, as usual.
They have peacetime conscription.

So does Russia.
Russia was calling up and training 300,000 or so a year, pre-2022. Russian standing forces, all branches, were about 1.3 million in 2021. 900,000 in the Army.

I dont know where you get your stuff but its whack.


191 posted on 06/23/2024 11:38:40 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: tlozo
"Russia is so afraid of NATO, they withdrew almost all of their forces from the Finnish border."

The border area with Finland and Russia is rugged so there is not really an invasion threat from that Finland. In contrast the Ukraine is part of the Eurasian Steppe (like the Great Plains of America) and offers a flat, easy path into the Russia heartland.

Not that you care at all about facts or truth.

192 posted on 06/24/2024 7:30:10 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

What can’t you follow? Putin is a modern day Viking. Follow the money. He raids and steals resources from Ukraine.


193 posted on 06/25/2024 11:38:09 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: amnestynone; shadowlands1960
Most of the resto f the world is opposing Russia.

No, it's not.

The Global South is not opposing Russia, because they don't like globohomo.

India and China aren't opposing Russia.


194 posted on 06/25/2024 8:52:42 PM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: kiryandil

Well then the only ones supporting them is Syria and North Korea which tells us much the same thing.


195 posted on 06/26/2024 8:04:24 AM PDT by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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