Posted on 06/14/2024 8:44:23 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
So everyone else is paying taxes and the money the wait staff shows up for and bases their life on is tax free.
“ So everyone else is paying taxes and the money the wait staff shows up for and bases their life on is tax free.”
You’ve obviously never worked in a restaurant. Tips are split between the wait staff., bussers, bar backs, dishwashers; etc. They all get a cut. It’s not just the people bringing you your food.
So put your envy away.
L
I’ve worked in many restaurants of different types in different states and even in management, and while my years in the business were long ago, your rules are not universal and fixed by law as far as I know.
“ your rules are not universal and fixed by law as far as I know.”
Geez. What is it with you?
My wife was in the business for over 25 years. She went from the kitchen to the front of the house in her last position. The workers were pretty scrupulous about dividing the tips according to the rules of the house. What do you care if they’re not taxed on the gifts freely given to them by the patrons of the establishment? How does this hurt you?
The American people are vastly overtaxed and any attempt to let any segment of the people who bust their asses to make a living have less of their hard earned money extracted from them literally at gun point should be celebrated, not criticized.
L
I also hope that he stops the IRS from going after, (I kid you not) office birthday cards. You know how they would pass around an envelope at the office when someone had a birthday? And your coworkers would throw in what every change they happened to have in their drawer and then the office manager would buy a ten dollar gift card, a t shirt with the company logo and there would be cake?
Ever wonder why that does not happen very much any more?
That would be because the IRS wants you to pay taxes on the shirt, gift card and anything that a coworker that might be higher on the ladder then you might have put into that envelope.
Some companies tried to get around this by giving out lottery tickets instead but the IRS soon put a stop to that as well.
Also if you work in a restaurant and you take home left over food that is also taxable. And your employer is going to get hit with paying their half of FICA and Medicare tax as well as deduction the tax for the value of the food.
Gosh aren't the democrats just wonderful going after the RICH with all these new rules?
No need to get personal, it makes examining a brand new idea impossible, but your claims about sharing are not universal or mandatory.
They still have to pay tax on their wages, just like anyone else.
The tip is something above and beyond.
We all know that, but wages are not much of anything for most wait people, tips is what they show up at work for and what supports them.
bttt
I would love to see small employers hand their employees an agreed upon cash “tip” every pay day, for their whole remuneration, or at least part.
There’s a double edged sword to
this issue. Retirement SS is
based on the highest income
during a continuous 5 year
stretch. The more you make,
the higher your SS benifits.
It would have to be reported as
non-taxible income. I hope
there’s consideration for this
in any of the proposed
legislation.
Tax free? They are paid a salary. The salary is reported to the IRS.
You can debate the worth of the concept of making tips tax free, but the reality is the Biden administration got funding for, and is trying to hire a huge (yuge!) number of IRS agents to find more taxes. The big earners can afford accountants, they are already paying what they can get away with paying. All those extra people... they’re pouring through bank records and coming after waitresses and bartenders.
Just axe the hiring surge at the IRS. Turn off those privacy intruding policies, or better yet outlaw them under 4th amendment grounds. It’s easy enough to do if you got the right guy in charge.
Gratuities suck, and I avoid
any place that employes them.
It’s just an added fee over and
above what the employer is
willing to pay it’s servers.
I owned a restaurant. The quality
of a good server is evidenced
in their tips. I won’t pay for
a servers lack of ambition
to benifit the establishment.
They don’t report as much of their tips as income anyway.
>>Gratuities suck, and I avoid
any place that employes them.
That’s your prerogative. And as a former restaurant owner, you’re aware that the server minimum wage is well below that of other occupations. So if you as an owner weren’t willing to pay servers for the services they provided and preferred to have customers take care of that for you, then maybe that’s an example of you not taking responsibility for your own business. Relying on tips is a lazy and inefficient way of trying to maintain quality control.
Voluntary tips are a gift from a customer to a server who provided great service. As such, they should not be taxed.
Forced tipping negates all of that.
Or to put it another way, it’s a way of underpaying your servers in order to attract customers who aren’t willing to pay servers for the work they do. Think about it. You have two identical tables. They both order identical meals and the server does the same amount of work for each. One table tips $15 and the other one tips $5. When that happens, the $15 tip table is subsidizing the $5 tip table.
Now you as an owner might be happy with that outcome. And if you as an owner, had charged a gratuity instead, you may (or may not) have lost the $5 table’s business, so the logic from your point of view is clear. The problem is, in order to not risk losing the $5 tip customer’s business, you’ve given him a discount, but not out of your own pocket. You’ve given him a discount out of the server’s pocket. You make the same amount for each table, regardless and expect the server to take the loss on the cheaper customer.
More selective social engineering with the tax code. How about a flat tax for all? Everyone would be treated equally and everyone would have skin in the game.
Been around this long enough to
know how the server reacts with
the customer is 100% the
customers willingness to return.
Those that underperform these days
demand equal treatment with those
that go above and beyond.
A good server EARNS their tips.
They should never be assigned
as it’s easy to forego the drive
it takes, not only for personal
everyday ambitions, but those
of a lifetime. No one I know
waits on tables their entire
working career.
I’ve, in the past, maintained
a very sucessful business based
on these principles.
Restaurants are the very core
of what it takes to get ahead.
Sadly, illrgals view $15.00
an hour as the gold at the end
of the rainbow. It’s far more
than what they’re used to.
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