The Soviets would have retreated and then counterattacked at the oil fields. The Germans had issues with their logistics at that point.
Posted on 06/10/2024 7:52:55 AM PDT by RandFan
Maybe. Maybe not. The Soviets will have poured troops into the oil fields so it'll be just like Stalingrad. The Soviets will have sent Georgy Zhukov to the oil fields, by that time they were starting to fight better. The Soviets had so many more soldiers than the Nazis so they'll lose in the war of attrition.
If the Germans had gone for the oil fields and ignored Stalingrad for a season, they’d have beat the Soviets, which is what his generals said to do.
Not sure why that post just showed up again!
Must be a glitch in the Matrix!
Wouldn’t they have been better off with an alliance with the U.S. rather than a war that was unwinnable?
What made Stalingrad so bad was the German tanks and troops were designed for open field warfare. House to house urban battles were a disaster.
The oil fields, in contrast, were fields.
It would only have postponed the inevitable. Europe before WWI was a powder keg.
/
no, i think they were following the tripartite (sp?) pact plan.
fwiw. imo.
if Patton had been supreme allied commander the war would have been much shorter and all of Europe would have escaped decades of communist hell .
( why does our left love USSR but hate Russia ;-)
The Soviets would have retreated and then counterattacked at the oil fields. The Germans had issues with their logistics at that point.
You very well could be right.
But the Russians (then and now) really suck at offense.
They only battled their way to Germany because of constant areal bombardment by the USA /UK of Germany itself.
Thanks for the added info. Sounds like he knew his stuff!
The Russian military is always weak so they wouldn't threaten the rule of the Tsars (and later the Soviets).
“Neutrality” with Hitler would have meant what???
It was O.K. for Hitler to Annex Austria?? It was O.K. for Hitler to occupy Czech lands
??????????????
This was exactly the position the USA took until Pearl Harbour and Hitler declared war on the USA.
Reform UK similar to the Reform Party of Canada in the 1990s.
Reform Canada would do pretty well for the first couple of weeks in election campaigns, then it always seemed like they had unleashed their most primitive candidates.
Reform UK needs to offer as many candidates as possible to have a chance of getting as big a toehold on power this election as possible. Starting with zilch in in parliament its bench is sure to include some weaklings. Ignore them and get as many in as possible while the Tories are committing sepuku.
Germany was going to go to war with Russia one way or the other.
Russia was quickly modernizing, and the German generals knew it was “Now or Never”, if they ever wanted to defeat Russia.
The Kaiser didn’t want war with Russia, but his Generals did. And Russia’s mobilization put him in a position where he had no choice.
“ It was O.K. for Hitler to Annex Austria?? It was O.K. for Hitler to occupy Czech lands?”
Probably. The affected populations (by “Czech lands” you mean former German Austrian possessions, right?) were overcome with joy at the sight of the German army.
The right questions are “It was OK for Wilson to dismember Austria? It was OK to create ethnostates with German minorities all over Eastern Europe?”
WW I was a disaster from beginning to end not least because of the involvement of Woodrow Wilson and his egghead associates”.
I’ve never seen anything that says or implies that Belgium was an economic threat to Germany. Do you have a source for that?
Everything I’ve read was the Belgian route was picked because of the need to knock France out of the war quickly due to fear of the mobilization of the Russian infantry steamroller. (That fear tells me that Imperial Germany must have had a thoroughly incompetent intelligence service!) Also, I imagine there was smug arrogance because of the whipping they had given France 40 years earlier in the Franco-Prussian War. They also convinced themselves that Belgium wouldn’t resist and as long as they didn’t stay and occupy. If no occupation no violation of Belgium’s sovereignty. Therefore, no reason for UK to be involved or care!
They did have a war plan that went after Russia first, played defense against France. Let France beat its head against the fortifications guarding Alsace-Loraine. France did have plans to violate both Luxemburg and Belgium. That would have been an interesting alternative history the UK on Imperial Germany’s side. Why not the Kaiser was Victoria’s favorite grandchild!
The word of all totalitarians means nothing. Nazis, Commies, Progressives... lying backstabbing filth.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.