U.S. Navy’s Cruiser Countdown The U.S. Navy’s cruisers will all be gone before 2027 is over. Here’s the order in which they’ll go.

https://www.navalnews.com/cavasships/2024/06/u-s-navys-cruiser-countdown/ ^ | 6/9/24 | Chis Cavas

[central_va]

Yes, we can impose import barriers to support American manufacturing, but if the dollar remains relatively over-valued, all that accomplishes is import substitution at the margins without regaining America's export markets.

Tariffs are not "barriers". Import quotas are barriers. You are bringing the export market into the discussion. I am not sure why. I am talking about imports and promoting domestic industry. Stay on track.

[central_va]

Of course, domestic policy factors and issues have also hurt American manufacturing: over regulation and bad regulation, especially the green agenda; union work rules that are often so embarrassingly bad that companies are forbidden by their union contracts to make them public; unfavorable federal income tax rates and terms; and bad corporate management. I'll leave these unexplored for now.

Killing off domestic industry is not the solution!!!

[Alas Babylon!]

Yes.

USS Frank E. Petersen Jr. (DDG-121) is an Arleigh Burke-class Flight IIA guided missile destroyer in the United States Navy, the 71st overall for the class. She was commissioned on May 14, 2022

The first DDG 51 Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer to be built in the Flight III configuration,
the Jack H. Lucas (DDG 125), was successfully launched at Huntington Ingalls Industries, Ingalls Shipbuilding division, June 4, 2021 and commissioned on October 7, 2023.

The Lenah Sutcliffe Higbee (DDG 123) was commissioned, Saturday, May 13, 2024 (in the Flight IIA configuration), and the future Ted Stevens (DDG 128), christened 19 August, 2023 and Jeremiah Denton (DDG 129) was laid down 16 August 2022—both as Flight III ships.

There are a total of 20 DDG 51 class ships under contract at both new construction shipyards.

[Rockingham]

In many industries, the great prize is exports because of the vast size of the potential market. Moreover, the distinction between imports and exports can be thin because of domestic production or assembly or servicing of foreign makes.

By way of example, John, a friend of mine in the 1980s did not want to go to college but became a local auto mechanic. Being bright and highly capable, he was put onto servicing BMWs. He brought manuals home and read them more diligently and with greater comprehension than most college students accomplish as to their textbooks. John won national recognition as a BMW mechanic and was given an all expense paid trip to Germany for additional training and two weeks of vacation.

In time, BMW corporate hired John and posted him to Charleston to inspect and repair vehicles imported into the US. The last I heard though, he was in a supervisory capacity with BMW in a manufacturing plant they built in South Carolina.

Is that BMW plant part of the American manufacturing base? It is, but not quite as much as if it were a Ford or GM plant. After all, even if the jobs in the plant are almost entirely held by Americans, the profits from their work go back to BMW in Germany.

[Svartalfiar]

For example, I still cannot get over the SHEER IDIOCY of our military in thinking that their GPS weapons would work against the Russians. If this indicates how unprepared we are in other areas, we might as will surrender, instead of wasting out time - same outcome either way.

Most GPS will work against the Russians. Russia has limited spoofing capabilities, and GPS jammers are a huge neon sign saying 'send a missile here'. Russia won't have enough of this equipment to be that useful across their entire military front.

Not to mention, military GPS equipment has the capability to load crypto that makes spoofing difficult. Stuff that Ukraine obviously isn't given.

[AppyPappy]

They are being replaced by Trans Acceptance Training

[BobL]

“Most GPS will work against the Russians. Russia has limited spoofing capabilities, and GPS jammers are a huge neon sign saying ‘send a missile here’. Russia won’t have enough of this equipment to be that useful across their entire military front.”

Except that has been PROVEN WRONG. But nice try.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/05/24/russia-jamming-us-weapons-ukraine/

[kenmcg]

Down with men of war, up with WOKE!

[hardspunned]

I could not agree more with you. We have TEN additional Ford class dinosaurs in the pipeline. With our MIC profits trump battlefield utility and survivability every time.

[Svartalfiar]

When they’re wrong again regarding the navel capabilities of China and Russia to take on our navy, then we’re talking tens of thousands of AMERICAN lives.

Russian naval capabilities? Russia is handily losing the sea battle to a nation with no navy. Russia's only carrier is caveman technology, and can't even get out of harbor (even with her tugboat), much less launch more than maybe a helicopter. Russia's only good naval forces are her icebreakers, which isn't a big military factor. All of her subs have a tail.

China's capabilities are marginally better. Their carriers at least get in the water, but they're still ski-jump style (active ones), and have no experience with sustained blue-water operations. Subs are also likely all followed everywhere. Hypersonic missiles are hyped crap that isn't very effective right now. They're fast, but that's it. Not very maneuverable, needs good intel on ship location, and isn't easy to communicate with for in-flight targetting updates. Just finding and hitting a targetinthe middle of the sea is difficult enough, much less moving target, much less maneuvering target, much less a target that shoots back. Both at incoming and at launch sites.

Logistics is another factor that China is questionable, and Russia is lacking, that limits what either of them can project. Sustain entry requires food, fuel, water, ammo, spare parts, etc etc etc. Russia can barely get 200 mi outside their border, how are they supposed to support anything across an ocean? China might be able to do more, but in contested waters that's not very likely.

[BobL]

“Russian naval capabilities? Russia is handily losing the sea battle to a nation with no navy.”

I didn’t realize that NATO didn’t have a navy.

That’s all I need to read.

[Wuli]

I would just like to add to this thread something that was reported in another article about the U.S. Navy ship building industry recenently. A group of Navy officers together with some executives in U.S. companies that work on building U.S. navy ships, madde a visit to South Korea recently. They said they were amazed at how modern was the Korean naval shipbuilding industry, with so much more technology, automation and efficiencies than our American shipbuilding works.

But that makes sense to me. Our naval shipbuilding efforts and aircraft building efforts as well, have gotten fat, lazy and “old” with a Congress that has failed to demand those industries advance, just handed them the money, while in little South Korea they cannot afford to be running 19XX military industry businesses in 2024. Actually, we cannot afford it either, and now when we can afford it least it will take more investment to get our shipbuilding industry modernized.

[Svartalfiar]

I didn’t realize that NATO didn’t have a navy.

That’s all I need to read.

NATO doesn't have a navy, but the member States do. But all you need to read to do what? Give a nonsensical irrelevant answer?

What does that have to do with anything? None of our navies are involved in this fight.

[Mariner]

“Flight III Arleigh Burke-class” are actually Cruisers by any definition.

[Svartalfiar]

Except that has been PROVEN WRONG. But nice try.

A pay-walled article from a Commie site. Nicer try?

You didn't even read my post. Ukraine gets the generic GPS-enabled stuff. They don't get crypto fills. Which are designed to ignore the spoofed satellites to prevent that. Which haven't been tested against Russian EW sothereisno way to say for sure. And, as I mentioned before, this type of defense is very limited in range and sustainability.

[CivilWarBrewing]

You said, "Can anyone, anywhere, do anything, on time, on budget and right? Anymore?"..

SpaceX !

Now if Elon Musk were to create OceanX and build ships for the U.S. Navy they'd be the best ships in the world; most advanced and cost-effectively built!

[Reily]

Any government program particularly DOD programs if large enough (and by large enough I mean lucrative!) no matter how necessary eventually evolve into a jobs program to keep congressmen and senators in power! That’s all the space program is now. I am not sure what the solution for this is. Let’s not forget that Musk built his empire on a lot of government subsidies. I think some of enterprises are finally making money commercially. If government is the customer, you have to go to government to get the requirements as well as the funding. (If commercial - you look at the market and generate your own “design\build to” requirements!) With government requirements they are in the driver’s seat. That means you have to do the political dancing with congresscritters\senators, etc. which means you head down that same path to be nothing more then a jobs programs.

[laplata]

Thank you very much.

[laplata]

If you read all the posts, that is not the case.

[laplata]

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