Posted on 06/09/2024 6:57:32 AM PDT by joesbucks
I think the original articles about Alex Jones not being able to use Bankruptcy to avoid paying the Sandy Hook families were misleading.
I could be wrong, but I think the original articles should have gone into greater detail, I think Alex Jones was attempting to wipe out the judgement completely thru a bankruptcy while continuing to operate Infowars as usual. The Judge said that was not allowed, not that he couldn’t file bankruptcy at all.
In this country you can’t make someone a debt slave and we don’t have debtor prisons, so you can always file bankruptcy.
There is no way Alex Jones could pay back over a billion dollars, the bankruptcy laws are intended to address this issue, you file bankruptcy, liquidate your assets and the Sandy Hook families get paid back a percentage of the debt, when the case is all over whatever was not paid back after all of the assets have been liquidate is wiped out.
The Sandy Hook families can’t hold that debt over Alex Jones Head for the rest of his life.
I’m not ‘blaming’ Lindell: I’m assigning responsibility for his own actions. Among other statements, Lindell told the WSJ: “I have all the evidence on them.”
Clearly NOT. He made ill-advised statements from which he boosted his sales. smh at the time. It was stupid.
Period. And literally again ‘smh’ when they announced the lawsuit. We all hoped that the statements were true, but nobody - NOBODY - ever produced the evidence we needed (remember ‘the kraken’???). We all know that there’s plenty of evidence of fraud, but the hard evidence always conveniently disappeared.
He should have understood what ‘sticking it out there’ means.
Worse, he & Fox directly assisted their expansion.
“According to an analysis provided to NPR by the election security group Verified Voting, Dominion has actually seen a net increase in jurisdictions using Dominion equipment since 2020. The nonprofit monitors election equipment contracts around the country.
For example in 2020, 1,161 jurisdictions used Dominion election day tabulation equipment. Verified Voting’s analysis says 1,861 jurisdictions will use Dominion equipment in 2024. That said, there’s been a net loss in the total number of registered voters who will vote with Dominion’s machines in upcoming elections.”
The spread of BMDs (Ballot Marking Devices) & BREs (Direct Recording Electronic) continues...along with electronic tabulator software which are NOT accounted for at the site below (and which permit electronic ‘administration’ of scanned/tabulated votes).
https://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/#mode/navigate/map/ppEquip/mapType/normal/year/2024
Thanks for weighing in. Good morning. Trust you’re doing well. How’s DeWine treating you?
If there was no harm in it (to the government) why not allow it (in the interest of “transparency” and such)? It’s on the taxpayer dime. Cui malum?
You know why you were baited? Because you’ll accept anything that supports the outcome you desire. There are lots of people riling up otherwise good people with fraudulent information. Look at the 2000 Mules video. Look at Rudy’s claims against the women in Atlanta.
I really haven’t followed Lindell’s case closely, and applaud him for stepping up and putting his own money where his mouth is. But the fundamental problem with the Dominion/Smartmatic lawsuits is that the evidence is ephemeral. To prove the voting machines and systems were rigged, you’d need to have proof and they are computer-based machines where the code that determines their functionality can be deleted and replaced without a trace. Even the best forensic analysis can never know what was written to a memory location that has since been erased and overwritten.
If you want to cheat or do something illicit, using software to do it makes for the perfect crime. Just as Hillary knew when she ordered hard drives and phones smashed beyond any chance of recovery. Only the very stupid, like those who keep child porn on their phones, get caught with hard evidence.
Dominion is not stupid. I don’t know who advices Lindell but I can’t see how he could have prevailed, given the nature of the crime.
Sets a precident.
Ironically, that's a statement which falls under the label 'defamation'.
The United States Government telling the “truth” would certainly set precedent!
The GOP is made up of winnie’s and wimps as they should waging Lawfair of their own equal to or greater to what the Left does.
[[I think the original articles about Alex Jones not being able to use Bankruptcy to avoid paying the Sandy Hook families were misleading..]]
Yep- that how i took the original articles when it came out- and knowing the msm- they were likely intentionally misleading- woudl be nice if journalists actually reported the news objectively- but those days are gone- and as such we get stung by their misleading reports from time to time unfortunately- Glad to know that He won’t have to pay off the billion or so dollars- that was just an outrageous amount i felt- the judgement against Trump with whatshername who claimed he ruined her life, was also a ridiculous amount too i thought- The judges and juries are out of control when it coems to judgements agaisnt conservatives
Hillary and the DNC meanwhile, who did a lot of damage lyign about Trump- were fined only $8000 and $110,000 for the DNC-
The left are likely laughing their butts off about her being fined only $8000 while Trump was stuck with $350 million fine-
I have not read the lawsuit, but did read the linked article. Excerpts from the DC Judge’s decision suggest his real reason for denying the subpoenas: protect the feds from having either to admit openly that the US government developed, or at least were aware of, election interference software and methods the CIA or DoD used to alter elections in Central America; or, claim Secrecy Privilege (i.e., admit it tacitly).
“irrelevant to this case because it is not the actual basis for Lindell’s statements about Dominion...”
One defense of a libel claim is that the claim is factually true; another is that the Defendant believed it to be true at the time. Evidence and testimony that show the claim was true, or even plausible, is thus material to the case. The Defendant need not have based his alleged libel on some other source, even one that turned out to be inaccurate, or if Defendant even knew of the actual evidence at the time, for new corroborative factual information to be relevant.
Example: Let’s say that someone believed rumors that a rich investor is engaged in child sex trafficking, published claims to that effect, then was sued for libel by that individual. Twelve years before the alleged libel, local law enforcement investigating victim complaints developed massive evidence of guilt. Due to the investor’s role in spying and blackmailing foreign spies via the trafficked children, the feds quashed the case and covered it up — but new victim complaints brought it all to the surface after the “libel”. What judge would declare that evidence “irrelevant” to the Defense, because it was not the Defendant’s actual basis for his “libelous” statements? What sort of Judge would refuse a subpoena for testimony of the original investigators about the old suppressed case? We know what sort...
“repeatedly and baselessly accused”
The mantra of the left and the corrupt government is that the accusations are baseless, with no evidence to validate the accusations. They somehow are able to conflate “no evidence” with “not being allowed to present evidence” that could/would validate the accusations. Case after case, documents and testimony is blocked from being presented.
Let’s never forget what happened after DJT announced that the Bamster crime syndicate was spied on his campaign and his new administration . . .
“repeatedly and baselessly accused”
The mantra of the left and the corrupt government is that the accusations are baseless, with no evidence to validate the accusations. They somehow are able to conflate “no evidence” with “not being allowed to present evidence” that could/would validate the accusations. Case after case, documents and testimony is blocked from being presented.
Let’s never forget what happened after DJT announced that the Bamster crime syndicate was spied on his campaign and his new administration . . .
What evidence could they present if they weren’t involved?
Frankly a lot of judges. Related crimes from a decade ago don’t mean a crime was committed recently. We see that a lot in criminal cases where a guy robbed a bank a decade ago be held irrelevant to whether the accused robbed a bank last week.
Sort of like this. https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2024/04/19/trump-defense-seeks-to-limit-evidence-of-civil-fraud-bad-faith-litigation-at-criminal-trial/?slreturn=20240509121319
Oh? How?
How Trump’s 2020 Michigan ‘giant scams’ claims actually proved true — sort of
Trump was right to be on the lookout for 2020 election fraud in Michigan.
May 26, 2022, By Dean Obeidallah, MSNBC Columnist
Donald Trump was right. I never thought I’d write those words, but he did warn us that there was a “giant scam” in Michigan involving the state’s election. Of course, Trump made that claim about the 2020 presidential election in the state, where he lost by over 150,000 votes.
The bureau said the fraud was so widespread that after it struck the invalid signatures, five of the 10 candidates were lacking the requisite 15,000 valid signatures needed to remain on the ballot.
While that assertion was false — per numerous audits, lawsuits and a 55-page report the Republican-led Michigan Senate released in 2021 debunking each of Trump’s election lies — there is actually a significant election scandal in the state. But it involves the 2022 election for governor and Republicans, including some who have peddled Trump’s lies about the 2020 election. Ah, karma.
To get on this year’s ballot for governor in Michigan, state law required candidates to collect at least 15,000 signatures from registered voters and submit them by the April 19 deadline. Securing that many valid signatures in a state of over 8 million registered voters shouldn’t be that hard. That is, apparently unless you are one of the 10 Republican candidates running to take on Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.
The state’s Bureau of Elections, which reviews the submitted petitions to ensure the signatures are valid, said after examining the petitions of the GOP gubernatorial candidates that it found a “volume of fraudulent petition sheets” that it had never seen before. The bureau said the fraud was so widespread that after it struck the invalid signatures, five of the 10 candidates were lacking the requisite 15,000 valid signatures needed to remain on the ballot. This included the two front-runners: former Detroit Police Chief James Craig and businessman Perry Johnson. In Craig’s case, the bureau reported that his campaign submitted over 21,000 signatures, but more than 11,000 were invalid, leaving him with just 10,192 “facially valid” signatures, well below the requirement.
Election deniers who say Trump won in 2020 now running for attorney general in key states.
Part of what made the bureau suspicious, as detailed in its report, was some petition sheets not showing evidence of “normal wear” that would be found if a person carries a petition around for hours or even days to gather signatures. It also said some petitions appeared to be “round-tabled,” meaning people took turns signing lines on the petitions in an attempt to make the signatures appear authentic. Plus, it said it found the petitions included fake signatures of many dead voters. Looks like Trump was right again, this time about dead people getting involved in elections.
Election experts, including two at the University of Michigan, have explained that in the past, campaigns relied on volunteers to gather signatures. In recent years, however, more campaigns have hired commercial firms that pay people by the signatures they collect, work often done with little supervision. Still, in most cases, valid petitions are submitted. That wasn’t the case this time.
Why didn’t the campaigns double check the petitions before submitting them to the state?
The Michigan Bureau of Elections is not alleging that the candidates knew their petitions contained fraudulent signatures. But why didn’t the campaigns double check the petitions before submitting them to the state? As Lansing attorney John Pirich, an election law expert who has worked for both Republican and Democratic candidates, told the Detroit Free Press, “You don’t have to be a handwriting expert to look at many, many of these signatures to see that they’re almost virtually identical.”
You would’ve thought that at least Johnson, who claimed at a debate this month that Trump legitimately won in 2020, would have reviewed the petitions in detail before submitting them, especially given that he recently stated that he views “voter integrity as one of the single most important issues in the state.” Johnson is a big Trump loyalist who has run a campaign ad in which he vows to “hold Detroit accountable” when it comes to future elections. It’s a transparent play on Trump’s lie that there was voter fraud in Detroit during the 2020 election.
In response to the news that he may be dumped from the ballot, Johnson made a statement that implied he was taken advantage of by “criminals.” Another Republican of the five identified by the bureau, Michigan State Police Capt. Michael Brown, dropped out of the race, saying he “cannot and will not be associated with this activity.”
Dean Obeidallah, a lawyer, hosts “The Dean Obeidallah Show” on SiriusXM radio’s Progress channel. He has written for The Daily Beast, CNN.com and other publications and is a co-creator of the annual New York Arab-American Comedy Festival.
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