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Fontana pays nearly $900,000 for ‘psychological torture’ inflicted by police to get false confession
San Bernardino Sun ^ | 05/23/2024 | Tony Saavedra

Posted on 05/24/2024 12:54:03 PM PDT by Drew68

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To: Drew68

If you’re guilty, you need a lawyer.

If you’re innocent, you REALLY need a lawyer.

That’s just the way it is.


21 posted on 05/24/2024 1:29:07 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: Drew68

Fontana should leave the mind-bending to Wayne.


22 posted on 05/24/2024 1:29:51 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: NorthMountain

Excellent point. The cops didn’t pay, the city didn’t pay, it’s the innocent taxpayers of Fontana who pay. Gotta blame somebody for somebody else’s wrong-doings (think: “reparations”)


23 posted on 05/24/2024 1:40:58 PM PDT by glennaro (2024: The Year of The Reckoning, lest our Republic succumb to the "progressive" disease of the Left)
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To: NorthMountain
Abusive cops need to pay out of their own pockets.

Absolutely, these judgments need to come out of the police pension fund.

24 posted on 05/24/2024 1:42:26 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68
Absolutely, these judgments need to come out of the police pension fund.

Partially disagree. First source needs to be the actual, individual miscreant cops. They need to pay personally. Bankrupt the bastards. Then hit the pension fund ... cops don't get to be this bad without other cops knowing about it and covering it up.

25 posted on 05/24/2024 1:45:56 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Drew68
Perez agreed to the settlement rather than take the case to trial out of concern that a jury award could be overturned on appeal on grounds of qualified immunity for police.

Qualified immunity needs to be abolished except in very, very limited circumstances.

Personally, I think those cops deserve to be beaten to death. They are a danger to every citizen around them as long as they have any "authority" whatsoever..

26 posted on 05/24/2024 1:57:08 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I think we are currently at the point of saying, “There are a few bad ones, but most of them are good.”

Many of us are already way past that point. The only purpose I see in police these days is to protect their political masters and each other. They aren't even useful to citizens by filling out reports.

27 posted on 05/24/2024 1:59:47 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: Drew68

... and unfortunately it is the taxpayer’s money that covers the aggressive tactics used while no consequences are visited upon the detectives. Loss of job, loss of pension, something significant financially, etc ... something.

A the man once said “I don’t expect people to not make mistakes but I do expect those people to answer for them.”


28 posted on 05/24/2024 2:00:38 PM PDT by ByteMercenary (Cho Bi Dung and KamalHo are not my leaders.)
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To: Drew68

Been there... Sometimes the VICTIM of law enforcement is right. We cannot put up firewalls to this absolute reality.

My story... Was once arrested for burglary WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. The officer didn’t like me because I had long hair, made me guilty of whatever he wanted to charge me with I guess. And they tried a forced confession. I played along and let them for right up to 72 hours without confessing.

I was given a court date during arraignment in front of the judge. When it came to my turn at the “accused and deemed guilty” box I handed proof to the bailiff that I bought items on my credit card in a town 200 miles away two days in a row during when the crime happened.

The judge fined me for not falling victim to the false confession...


29 posted on 05/24/2024 2:02:04 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind

The monetary value of the items burglarized was much less than what I paid in gas to go out of town and back...

But later The want to be low IQ “detective” rookie who arrested me told me “I know you did the crime, drove out of town and used your credit card to hide it and came back”

What a total idiot.


30 posted on 05/24/2024 2:07:39 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind

The police are their own worst enemies. Every time they abuse a citizen, they give credibility to the likes of Trayvon Martin and George Floyd.


31 posted on 05/24/2024 2:11:04 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NWFree; GOPJ

Comments?


32 posted on 05/24/2024 2:14:02 PM PDT by MeganC (Ruzzians aren't people. )
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To: EastTexasTraveler

Why didn’t he ‘lawyer up’?


33 posted on 05/24/2024 2:16:36 PM PDT by Judge Bean
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To: Drew68

All four of these vermin are monsters. That they are not behind bars for at least the next twenty years is itself a travesty of justice.


34 posted on 05/24/2024 2:17:15 PM PDT by MeganC (Ruzzians aren't people. )
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To: NorthMountain

“The police are their own worst enemies. Every time they abuse a citizen, they give credibility to the likes of Trayvon Martin and George Floyd.”

That is a fact... And it is because of the “IQ caps” for hire on. A Sargent or Supervisor doesn’t want any competition from someone who might actually be more intelligent than him. Same with Chief and Mayor... so the IQ cap is a real thing. They don’t hire pilots from the Airforce or Navy who have some intelligence, They hire gunloaders, truck drivers, and fire fighters from the service...

Fact... Met a BUNCH of them and they are the majority... Intelligent MOS hires are rare and in between.


35 posted on 05/24/2024 2:19:53 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Drew68

Most locals are like this. Very low IQ and terrible at being detectives. Just get a lawyer and clam up. Shame as they ruin it for the few good ones.


36 posted on 05/24/2024 2:21:12 PM PDT by Aut Pax Aut Bellum (What did Socialists use before candles? Electricity)
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To: EastTexasTraveler

They still can.


37 posted on 05/24/2024 2:25:01 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Drew68

There’s a couple of documentaries on Netflix that show just how investigators mentally beat innocent people down to the point they confess to something they didn’t do or even have knowledge of.

Never give a voluntary statement, especially if innocent. Never have a voluntary interview or meeting. If arrested, immediately invoke your 5th Amendment right to shut up and get a lawyer.


38 posted on 05/24/2024 2:37:04 PM PDT by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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To: Drew68

I have decided that from now on if I am confronted or detained I am going to read them THEIR Miranda rights before it goes any further. Maybe they will think twice about using their badge as a get out of jail free card for being absolute liars during their “investigation”.

Lying is their job and what they are paid to do best. All in the name of “law and order” of course. Time to put them on the hook for “what they say can and will be used against them in a court of law”.


39 posted on 05/24/2024 2:42:13 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: glennaro
Excellent point. The cops didn't pay, the city didn't pay, it's the innocent taxpayers of Fontana who pay.

The "innocent taxpayers of Fontana" are perfectly ok with these JBT's being on their payroll.

How do I know that? This part of the article.

Three of the involved officers remain employed with the department. One other officer has retired.

So the dear sweet innocent taxpayers are perfectly fine with keeping really terrible humans as their representatives of the "law".

Gotta blame somebody for somebody else’s wrong-doings (think: “reparations”)

You are responsible for the actions of your employees. Think: reality.

40 posted on 05/24/2024 3:05:51 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Roses are red, Violets are blue, I love being on the government watch list, along with all of you.)
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