[Zhang Fei]

Ukraine ping

hardspunned: [More reckless insanity. The Russians have made it unequivocally clear what will happen to those NATO air defenses if brought to bear in such a way.]

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Not particularly reckless. Russia shot down hundreds of US airplanes over North Korea and North Vietnam, killing as many as a thousand air crew. The US did not, in response, attack Russian territory.

If Russia attacks NATO installations, NATO would, of course, be justified in attacking Russian forces on Ukrainian territory. Given that in Korea and Vietnam, the US did not respond to Russian attacks on US personnel by attacking Russian forces on Russian territory, Russian attacks on NATO territory would invite reciprocal NATO attacks on Russian forces in Russia proper.

[hardspunned]

Oh yeah, totally the same. The Russians had 750,000 troops within 100 miles of the US forces, the U.S. weaponry had just killed 75,000 Russian troops and Russia was maneuvering their 1000 tactical nukes in Vietnam and threatening to launch attacks on London and Paris. Yeah, this is the same deal! Stop with the comedy. This is serious business.

[DesertRhino]

Very different in several ways. One, that was the USSR was a very different entity than Russia. And the war was a proxy war 6000 miles from either of our homes.
Second, this time our proxies are having Brit technicians shoot missiles at targets inside Russia proper. NATO (quit pretending it’s the idiot Ukes) has hit one of their strategic missile radars deep inside Russia. That’s equivalent to someone hitting our DEW radars.
They have hit their Engels nuclear bomber base in Saratov. They have attacked the Kerch Bridge and the German Air Force was just caught on an open zoom call discussing their plans to use German missiles, fired by Germans, to hit Kerch again. The Moskva cruiser sinking was US P-8 Poseidons doing the targeting for British missile crews to conduct an over the horizon attack.

For your analogy to work about Vietnam, Russia would have had to be hitting our DEW line in Alaska, maybe hitting Barksdale and Minot airbases, sinking a US ship in international waters etc.

It’s a foolish game we are playing, and for nothing except globalist power games on behalf of a resurgent nazi country...and of course, our leaders are getting enriched.

This is nothing like Vietnam. And last but not least. The leaders we had then, as bad as they could be, were all light years smarter than ours today.

You put Biden, Sullivan, and Nuland against Nixon, McNamara, and Kissinger? Put any leader today against childless Macron, childless Boris Johnson, Childless Olaf Sholtz, senile Joe Biden, etc.
No comparison.

These clowns are horny for war. They have wanted war with Russia for two decades at least. And now the EU gnats think they are going to be able to take the Russians down.

They have successfully got us into a new cold war at the moment our economy is collapsing. And these clowns could actually miscalculate and get nuked. They won’t stop until forced to.

[kiryandil]

Not particularly reckless. Russia The Soviet Union shot down hundreds of US airplanes over North Korea and North Vietnam, killing as many as a thousand air crew. The US did not, in response, attack Russian Soviet territory.

fixed it.

Enough with the deflection from reality already.