They've been corrupt organizations since their inception.
Posted on 05/07/2024 2:43:13 AM PDT by george76
Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson sat down for a three-hour-plus discussion on the Joe Rogan Show last week, covering everything from UFOs, to religion and artificial intelligence. But perhaps the most important topic they covered was the insidious and dangerous role played by the US regime’s intelligence agencies in America.
Specifically, Carlson suggested the CIA continues to lobby for keeping the JFK files secret, possibly because the CIA had a role in the assassination. Tucker also brought up how the FBI’s second-in-command was responsible for taking down Richard Nixon. Carlson described how intelligence agencies hold immense power within Congress because members of Congress—who are generally disreputable people with many secrets—are terrified of being blackmailed. After all, in a post-Patriot Act world of nearly unrestrained spying by the US regime, there is no privacy in America.
I’ll let you, dear readers, listen to the full interview and make up your mind for yourselves as to the details of the discussion.
What I want to highlight here, however, is how remarkable it is that two major media figures—Rogan and Carlson—are announcing to their millions of listeners and readers that organizations like the CIA and the FBI are despicable agencies committed to undermining the legal and constitutional institutions of the United States.
This is long overdue.
Deep-state agencies like the CIA and the FBI have for far too long been considered reputable organizations just trying to “keep us safe” or somehow defend the United States from alleged foreign threats. Conservatives have long been among the worst offenders. Libertarians know this well, and have observed for decades the breed of “small-government” conservatives who one minute claim “the government can’t do anything right” and then the next minute simp for “heroic” CIA and FBI agents. People such as these have long checked their critical thinking skills at the door as soon as the discussion turns to the regime’s spy agencies—or the Pentagon, for that matter. This is not to say that Leftists are guiltless on this. While historically it was the Left that actually made some efforts to expose intelligence agencies and their crimes in the 1970s, that is now ancient history. The Left in 2024 has rarely met a regime spook it didn’t like. This was made explicit last month when Adam Westbrook and Lindsey Crouse declared in The New York Times that “the Deep State is actually kind of awesome.”
The job of opposing these contemptible enemies of freedom at America’s intelligence agencies—especially the FBI and CIA and NSA—falls to the minority of Americans who actually care about law and human rights enough to seek true restraints on regime power. Those of us in this minority must never miss an opportunity to disparage, doubt, question, and generally express loathing for these organizations and for every single agent and employee at these agencies who collects a taxpayer-funded salary.
A Danger for Many Decades
Since at least the early 1960s, many have understood that the post-war intelligence agencies have posed an especially dangerous threat to the people of the United States. For example, exactly one month after Kennedy’s assassination—surely, just a coincidence!—former president Harry Truman expressed alarm about the CIA’s meddling in domestic affairs. He wrote in The Washington Post: “For some time I have been disturbed by the way CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the Government. This has led to trouble and may have compounded our difficulties in several explosive areas. ...I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations.”
Then as now, however, The Washington Post was an arm of the deep state and the editor buried Truman’s op-ed on Page A11. The CIA was outraged enough by the column, however, that CIA director Allen Dulles lied and claimed that Truman had been “quite astounded“ when he saw his own article and that the whole thing was really the work of a Truman aide.
This bizarre attempt by CIA operative to “retract” Truman’s article was nonetheless contradicted by Truman himself who reiterated in a 1964 letter that Truman had only intended the CIA to be an informational service for the president, and that “[I]t was not intended to operate as an international agency engaged in strange activities.” Truman would later tell an interviewer that “[I]f I’d known what was going to happen, I never would have [created the CIA.]”1
Of course, Truman may have known about many of the CIA’s “strange activities” by the late 1950s, such as MKULTRA, and related “mind control” experiments with LSD and other drugs. The CIA was known to drug the agency’s victims against their will, such as seven black inmates in Kentucky who were were fed “’double, triple and quadruple’ doses of LSD for 77 straight days.” One might also mention the very suspicious case of Frank Olson, a bioweapons expert who was given LSD by CIA agents without his knowledge. Olson later “fell” to his death from a hotel window in 1953. The agency lied about drugging Olson for 22 years.
The CIA faced some scrutiny in the wake of the Vietnam war as the Left began to rein in the deep state which had spent years attempting to destroy American opponents of the war through a variety of dirty tricks. Yet, the agency had hardly been “reformed” by the time the US’s “war on terror” was launched in late 2001. The CIA returned to its illegal medical torture—assuming it had ever stopped—with new medical experiments on regime prisoners. Documents uncovered by the ACLU have shown that CIA doctors are still used to provide a veneer of scientific legitimacy to CIA torture programs. In the age of vaccine passports, this alliance between doctors and the CIA should alarm any defender of human rights.
In spite of all this, the CIA continues to fail spectacularly at its original mission of collecting useful information. The CIA failed to see the Iranian Revolution coming. The CIA was clueless about Soviet Missiles shipped to Cuba in 1962. The CIA believed the Soviet Union was an economic powerhouse in the 1980s. And, of course, the CIA let 9/11 happen right under its nose.
Given all this, even conservative stalwarts have seen the light on the CIA in recent years. The late Angelo Codevilla, for example, penned a 2020 article calling for “breaking up” the CIA. The CIA, Codevilla notes, is now so “ideologically partisan,” so “obsolete,” and its record of failure so undeniable, that the agency is now “inherently dangerous and low-value.”
End the FBI
The CIA isn’t alone in its war on American freedom and decency, however. The FBI is almost equally dangerous, which is why Codevilla also calls for the FBI to be “restricted to law enforcement.”
Unknown to many Americans, the FBI doesn’t even consider itself to be a law enforcement agency anymore. The FBI is now a “national security” agency, and that means the FBI is an arm of the American spy regime. This, of course, is why the Department of Justice can now be used for blatantly political purposes such as when the FBI spied on candidate Donald Trump in 2016.
Here at mises.org, we’ve already reported on the mixture of abuse and incompetence that characterizes the FBI. The FBI expends countless hours tracking down harmless “enemies” of the regime—such as little old ladies prosecuted for the January 6 riot—while ignoring real criminals like Larry Nassar. Nor surprisingly, local police will tell you it’s the state and local police who do the real work of tracking down real criminals, and then the FBI swoops in to take the credit.
Moreover, the history of the FBI lends substantial plausibility to Tucker Carlson’s claim that intelligence agencies are in the business of blackmailing members of Congress. This is a known tactic employed by J. Edgar Hoover during this 48-year reign at the FBI. Hoover, of course, was lauded for decades as a hero, but in reality, he was, in the words of historian Beverly Gage, a “one-dimensional tyrant and backroom schemer who strong-armed the rest of the country into submission...the most influential federal appointee of the twentieth century.” Hoover and his army of compliant FBI agents spied on anyone and everyone—especially elected officials and other public figures—who might be useful as a target for blackmail.
So, what to do with these agencies?
There is nothing that these agencies do that could justify their continued existence. Both agencies—neither of which in their present forms are authorized among the enumerated powers of the US constitution—were sold to the taxpayers as agencies to be used only against hardened criminals and foreign dictators. Today, these organizations spend their time exploiting the taxpayers for ever larger budgets, for ever more power to spy on Americans, and new ways to trick those same Americans into supporting the regime’s latest wars.
They are, simply put, the regime’s secret police, devoted to building the regime’s power. One answer is to eviscerate their budgets, repeal their enabling legislation, and encourage aggressive lawfare against the regime in retribution for these agencies’ many crimes. That’s probably a best-case scenario. Other scenarios likely require the bankruptcy of the regime, or perhaps its dissolution. That is likely to come with substantial and negative economic effects in the short term. Unfortunately, many Americans are still enthralled to these organizations thanks to relentless state propaganda that tells us this American version of the KGB exists for our own good. Abolition will clearly take time. Now is a good time to start.
One answer is to eviscerate their budgets, repeal their enabling legislation, and encourage aggressive lawfare against the regime in retribution for these agencies’ many crimes.
“One answer is to eviscerate their budgets.”
Unfortunately their budgets are insignificant pocket change they could still survive without. They are not actually on our payroll. But it would expose this fact and questions would have to be answered about how they could still operate without a budget and where it is coming from.
The government doesn’t care about our safety and security. If they cared even little they wouldn’t leave our border wide open for people who want to do us harm. The only things they care about are money and power. The democrats are corrupt to their core and so are most republicans. The American people need to wake up and stop allowing the government to turn them against one another. They keep us fighting against each other so we don’t focus on them. Too many Americans fall into this trap.
“I would remove all the DEI from the Military and make them the sole Intelligence Agencies”
The DEI is just a diversion to distract from the fact that they have an active military operation against U.S. Civilian Citizens within the borders of our own Nation.
It is in direct violation of the The Posse Comitatus Act.
“The government doesn’t care about our safety and security. If they cared even little they wouldn’t leave our border wide open for people who want to do us harm. The only things they care about are money and power. The democrats are corrupt to their core and so are most republicans. The American people need to wake up and stop allowing the government to turn them against one another. They keep us fighting against each other so we don’t focus on them. Too many Americans fall into this trap.”
Absolutely, very well said. Thank you.
Amen, brother! I retired after thirty years. It’s a nest of vipers. You are 100% right on all counts.
Nope they have routed through and through. They are heavily staffed with woke, minorities with hostility and modern batguano women like the ones who knelt for BLM, like Valerie Plame, like Slotkin and dozens of others.
The majority of them despise normal America.
Perhaps I am being simplistic....
Where in that pesky constitution thingie, is the fed granted the right to create a national police force?
Where in that pesky constitution thingie, is the fed granted the right to create an international spy organization?
Where in that pesky constitution thingie, is the fed granted the right to create an organization that regulates the environment?
Inquiring minds want to know.
This has been true since the peanut farmer was in the WH...
He dismantled the CUA almost completely and began the process of moving and hiring anti-American zealots into the FBI...
Harry Truman expressed alarm about the CIA’s meddling in domestic affairs.
Infiltration started early for the .....
Thanks and ..
Enemies of the State vs. Enemies of the People..
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3931022/posts
The intelligence agencies are dangerous because they are populated by hedonistic, stupid people. That makes the threat not just existential but also self-inflicted. The situation cannot be fixed unless daddy principles are applied to spank the little twirps.
CIA /State Dept/DeepState plan:
Get involved in conflict overseas
Get massive funding
Escape Country as it falls into chaos
Abscond with massive amount of war loot to be spread amongst cronies, oligarchs, war pigs, whores*,prostitutes* and politicians*, (see above)
FBI : Secret Police /Goon Squad who is there to serve the Deep State* and protect pedophiles * (DS = Pedos)
I would have bought this argument pre-Trump. After watching these “good people in the FBI/CIA” at the lower levels take their orders violating the rights of Trump and most Americans, snap their heels together and say yes sir, knowing their actions were illegal as hell you can’t convince me there are ten people in either agency who have a clue what integrity, the rule of law and the Bill of Rights means. Their silence is a damning indictment of these agencies employees lack of character and ethics! I was just following orders didn’t work at Nuremburg, why should it work now?
Party In The CIA - Weird Al Yankovic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-CG5w4YwOI
And, despite this, Mike Johnson pushed through four billion dollars for a new FBI headquarters.
“The use of a government’s resources for the quest of knowledge to control others....
Today, we have a political party in the DNC that is morphing before our very eyes into an anti-American and anti-Constitutional Marxist entity hell bent on taking over and using the levers of power against those who should live freely without opposition from their fellow citizens. Even the introduction of non-citizens into the country is calculated to destroy what this nation has always been. We must become a welfare state in order to support all the new people who are not able to enter society on an equal footing with those who have been working - and yet our school system is designed to create Americans who are unable to compete with the very immigrants who can assimilate into an Information Age society. Today, that Information Age is simply social media and the Internet, and people have less knowledge about Natural laws and useful information that they may as well be living in the stone ages.
#7 posted on 5/7/2024, 3:37:26 AM by Jumper
The Party Of ‘Death To America’
The Democrat Party is built on hate!”
Mark Levin, author, talk show host and chairman of Landmark Legal Foundation, wrote a book last year about the party’s war on this nation’s values and foundations. Levin said it was important for him to write “The Democrat Party Hates America” because “the 800-pound gorilla that is responsible for virtually every single cultural, political, societal confrontation that we have is the Democrat Party.”
And why is this the case?
“Because,” he says, “the Democrat Party is built on hate.”
The evidence is in schools that teach students that the U.S. is a murderous, racist nation built on stolen land and slave labor; in the media and entertainment realms, where “news” and show business productions are intended to turn Americans against the Western ideals of liberty and civil society; and of course in the politics of the Democratic “squad” that is made up of lawmakers hostile to the country yet has been allowed, in some cases encouraged, to aggregate more power in the party.
Even Elon Musk, who in the past voted “overwhelmingly” for Democrats, recognizes that they “have become the party of division and hate.”
What they want is a new America that is nothing like the country the founders gave us and would more closely resemble an authoritarian state ruled by, yes, the Neo-Nazi Left.
https://issuesinsights.com/2024/05/07/the-party-of-death-to-america/
They've been corrupt organizations since their inception.
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