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How California's Ban on Diesel Locomotives Could Have Major National Repercussions
Reason ^ | May 2, 2024 | Veronique De Rugy

Posted on 05/02/2024 1:07:55 PM PDT by karpov

American federalism is struggling. Federal rules are an overwhelming presence in every state government, and some states, due to their size or other leverage, can impose their own policies on much or all of the country. The problem has been made clearer by an under-the-radar plan to phase out diesel locomotives in California. If the federal government provides the state with a helping hand, it would bring nationwide repercussions for a vital, overlooked industry.

Various industry and advocacy groups are lining up against California's costly measure, calling on the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to deny a waiver needed to fully implement it. In the past month, more than 30 leading conservative organizations and individuals, hundreds of state and local chambers of commerce, and the U.S. agricultural sector have pleaded with the EPA to help stop this piece of extremism from escaping one coastal state.

Railroads may not be something most Americans, whose attention is on their own cars and roads, think about often. But rail is the most basic infrastructure of interstate commerce, accounting for around 40 percent of long-distance ton-miles. It's also fairly clean, accounting for less than 1 percent of total U.S. emissions. Private companies, like Union Pacific in the West or CSX in the East, pay for their infrastructure and equipment. These facts haven't stopped the regulatory power grab.

Most importantly, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) regulation would have all freight trains operate in zero-emission configuration by 2035. At the end of the decade, the state is mandating the retirement of diesel locomotives 23 years or older, despite typically useful lives of over 40 years. Starting in 2030, new passenger locomotives must operate with zero emissions, with new engines for long-haul freight trains following by 2035. It limits locomotive idling and increases reporting requirements.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; diesel; trains
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To: Tell It Right

So a hybrid.


21 posted on 05/02/2024 2:15:33 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: SteveH

“...perhaps california’s angle is to force interstate adoption of overhead electrified rail lines...”


Yes, that would be great. But are the power plants generating the electricity also ‘zero emission’? If not, then what’s the point?


22 posted on 05/02/2024 2:16:01 PM PDT by hanamizu ( )
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To: karpov

Another step to control prices and disrupt the supply chain


23 posted on 05/02/2024 2:17:02 PM PDT by SMARTY ("A lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies." Tennyson)
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To: Red Badger

“The people of California must be insane.”

More like stupid. They have been brainwashed to think that products just grow and wrap themselves overnight right on the shelves like a video game. They cannot and will not think past that point of ignorance and stupidity. And those who do understand source and delivery actually think products should all be transported by bicycle...


24 posted on 05/02/2024 2:19:31 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: karpov

So build a freight depot in Nevada at the border and let CA pick their stuff up or drop it off with their unicorn drawn wagons.

F California.


25 posted on 05/02/2024 2:22:58 PM PDT by Adder (End fascism...defeat all Democrats.)
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To: dragnet2

Since escaping the Communist state of California, I go out of my way to avoid buying products from that Communist state.


Thanks—but no thanks...jeez no wonder we get no orders from your town—its filled with poopy heads like yourself...


26 posted on 05/02/2024 2:24:14 PM PDT by abigkahuna
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie; AFreeBird

“I seriously doubt that the people in California have the capacity to understand that they are Diesel Electric. Just Hybrids without the Battery.”

Yep, absolutely. In fact they are the most environmentally friendly and efficient way to transport goods. Been that way for over 80 years.

Another in fact... All vehicles should be the exact same design and platform if they really want to cut back on fuel use and save the environment.


27 posted on 05/02/2024 2:24:19 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Electric trains, like electric cars, are basically coal-burning — but at least there’s no boilers to explode.


28 posted on 05/02/2024 2:25:33 PM PDT by x
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To: karpov

Oh the irony!


29 posted on 05/02/2024 2:28:57 PM PDT by waterhill (I Believe!)
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To: karpov

” It limits locomotive idling and increases reporting requirements.”

Utterly deranged. The diesel engines in those things are HUGE. They are not always easy to turn off and on. And heating and cooling cycles and cold start ups will wear the living hell out of them.

Also, the diesel does not drive the wheels in any direct way. There is no drive shaft etc. It only spins a large generator to make electricity. The current then turns the wheels using electric traction motors much like on a toy train.

Modern freight trains may be a mile and a half long and be stacked double high with shipping boxes. Instead of 5 or 6 locomotives, you’ll need 500 trucks to move those loads.

We are ruled by idiots.


30 posted on 05/02/2024 2:32:07 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: AFreeBird

Not exactly. The Diesel engine does not turn the wheels. It just spins a generator to make electricity, nothing else.


31 posted on 05/02/2024 2:34:02 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: abigkahuna

But you have no idea what town that is slick. Now go back to enjoying your CA s**t bucket.


32 posted on 05/02/2024 2:39:26 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SteveH

Great idea. Until you stop to think that PG&E is already stretched far beyond it’s capacity, has to conduct shutdowns constantly during the summer, and President rutabaga says all cars have to be electric.

They are shutting down the nuclear, they hate gas, they have exactly ONE coal fired plant, they have removed 79 dams and hate storing water.

Where is the electricity for trains going to come from?


33 posted on 05/02/2024 2:39:32 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: cableguymn

A big problem is “origination”.

So much of the goods and materials entering the US is offloaded in California ports and then by rail throughout the US (or by over the road truck).

Where does Mayor Pete stand on this? Maybe someone should ask him next time he gets a break from breast feeding.... Excuse me, chest feeding, his child.


34 posted on 05/02/2024 2:40:50 PM PDT by steve in DC
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To: steve in DC

It’s no problem.

Since escaping the Communist state of California, I go out of my way to avoid buying products from that Communist state. It’s not easy sometimes, but I’d guess out of every 10 online purchases 8 are not from CA.

Payback is a bitch...


35 posted on 05/02/2024 2:42:26 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: jerod

instead of selling California to Mexico how about we just GIVE it to Mexico with a simple stipulation that all illegals in the U.S., no matter what their country of origin is, will be allowed free and non-returnable passage into the former state of California. once the deal is inked they can change the name to what ever they choose.


36 posted on 05/02/2024 2:43:28 PM PDT by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star n )
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To: dragnet2

Well what a Ray of Sunshine you are today...jeez


37 posted on 05/02/2024 2:45:05 PM PDT by abigkahuna
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To: karpov

And all those longshoremen and other union port workers, and all the railroad union employees, and all the Teamsters still vote Dim.


38 posted on 05/02/2024 2:51:44 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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To: karpov
"Major National Repercussions"

NO FOOD FOR YOU!

39 posted on 05/02/2024 2:55:55 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: karpov

Hey Californians ... Elections have consequences ... remember that in 2024.


40 posted on 05/02/2024 3:01:48 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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