[marktwain]

In other words, surrender to Russia, with no real guarantee they will not break their promise to not invade, again, only now Ukraine would be completely helpless before them.

Not much in the way of negotiations.

[Eagles6]

Sums it up well.o

[Kazan]

So, one Zeeper thinks the agreement essentially granted Ukraine NATO membership and other (you) thinks it provided Ukraine with no protection.

You Zeepers, in addition to having serious reading comprehension issues, can't your stories straight.

The point is Ukraine would have signed with if we and Boris Johnson had killed this deal and 500,000 more Ukrainians would still be alive and Ukraine would have far more territory than it has now.

[Erik Latranyi]

In other words, surrender to Russia, with no real guarantee they will not break their promise to not invade, again, only now Ukraine would be completely helpless before them.

The same nonsense about the future.

You do not know the future and you cannot guarantee what the future will look like.

Your thinking always leads to war because the alternative is to take a risk on a future war by avoiding one today.

Well, I would rather live in a world where we avoid war today and if it might happen again, then we try to avoid it again.

People like you think that war is the only answer because "if". People like you got us into Vietnam.

You were wrong then and you are wrong now.