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To: Monterrosa-24
[Monterossa-24 #150] In post 139 you responded to nothing about the Donbas invasion.

Post #139 is your post.

To: woodpusher

You do a great job of cutting and pasting Moscow’s version of events.

I have family and friends in Alchevsk, about a 35 minute drive from Lugansk city and I know the real story of what happened in the Donbas. The fake separatist movement was a Moscow operation starting before 2014. At that time, they flooded social media with syrupy Soviet nostalgia postings. DO YOU REMEMBER ... THE WONDERFUL ICE CREAM THAT WE HAD BACK IN THE ‘80s (yes, all one flavor) and such was pushed all over Russia and its former republics. Then in the Donbas, Mafia tactics began. Agents organized pro-Russian cells, officials were bribed or threatened or both (plata or plomo), influence was gained in the mill towns and with the unions and the underfunded police were slow to get on top of the situation. Capable leaders were threatened or “disappeared” (in the Argentinian sense). But nothing really worked for the Russians so troops without insignia arrived. And soon so did a shooting war.

139 posted on 4/1/2024, 11:44:47 PM by Monterrosa-24 (Saludemos la patria orgullosos)
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You seem to have gotten lost and forgot that you already responded to my #141.

Your #150 reponds to my #146, not my #141.

My #146 responded to your #144 not your #139.

Your #144 contained nothing about Donbas or Billy Bass. I quoted every word of your post #144 that I was responding to, and responded to it sentence by sentence.

My response to your #139 was at #141. Your total response to my #141 was your #142 and reads:

To: woodpusher

“...You do a great job of posting Ukraine propaganda...”

I do but speak the truth. And I do it without cutting and pasting. I actually type and it ain’t propaganda. It is the truth that Moscow’s Neo-Bolsheviks fear.

142 posted on 4/2/2024, 12:29:30 AM by Monterrosa-24 (Saludemos la patria orgullosos)
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[Monterossa-24 #150] Do you pretend to be American? Or do you admit to being Russian?

Not that your despicable self deserves an answer, I was born un the USA of two citizen parents and I served twenty years active duty and ten years in the reserves as a U.S. military member. The Defense Finance and Accounting Service sends me a direct deposit every month to remind me of my service. Do you get one of those from El Salvador?

Who are you to question anybody about being an American. Whose military did you suit up for? You fly the National Anthem of El Salvador as your tagline.

[Monterossa-24 tagline] (Saludemos la patria orgullosos)

El Salvador National Anthem:

I assume you do not need a translation. You broadcast loud and clear that your loyalty does not adhere to the United States.

Coro:

Saludemos la patria orgullosos
De hijos suyos podernos llamar;
Y juremos la vida animosa,
Sin descanso a su bien consagrar.

De la paz en la dicha suprema,
Siempre noble soñó El Salvador;
Fue obtenerla su eterno problema,
Conservarla es su gloria mayor.
Y con fe inquebrantable el camino
Del progreso se afana en seguir
Por llenar su grandioso destino,
Conquistarse un feliz porvenir.
Le protege una férrea barrera
Contra el choque de ruin deslealtad,
Desde el día que en su alta bandera
Con su sangre escribió: ¡LIBERTAD!

Coro

Libertad es su dogma, es su guía
Que mil veces logró defender;
Y otras tantas, de audaz tiranía
Rechazar el odioso poder.
Dolorosa y sangrienta es su historia,
Pero excelsa y brillante a la vez;
Manantial de legítima gloria,
Gran lección de espartana altivez.
No desmaya en su innata bravura,
En cada hombre hay un héroe inmortal
Que sabrá mantenerse a la altura
De su antiguo valor proverbial.

Coro

Todos son abnegados, y fieles
Al prestigio del bélico ardor
Con que siempre segaron laureles
De la patria salvando el honor.
Respetar los derechos extraños
Y apoyarse en la recta razón
Es para ella, sin torpes amaños
Su invariable, más firme ambición.
Y en seguir esta línea se aferra
Dedicando su esfuerzo tenaz,
En hacer cruda guerra a la guerra:
Su ventura se encuentra en la paz.

And let's not forget your lesson.

https://intellinews.com/former-ukrainian-presidential-advisor-perfectly-predicted-russian-invasion-in-2019-238183/

Former Ukrainian presidential advisor perfectly predicted Russian invasion in 2019

By Cameron Jones in Kyiv March 16, 2022

In 2019 Oleksiy Arestovych, advisor to the Office of Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy, eerily predicted, with stunning accuracy, how events in Ukraine would unfold in 2022.

In an interview with Ukrainian news channel "Apostrophe.ua," Arestovych believed that Nato accession was Ukraine's only hope of securing its independence. "If we don't join Nato, it's gonna be absorption by Russia within 10-12 years," he said.

However, the choice was not simple and Ukraine has found itself stuck between a rock and a hard place, while also stating that any talk of Ukrainian accession to Nato would "provoke Russia to launch a large-scale military operation against Ukraine." Ukraine's price for joining Nato, he said, would be large-scale war with Russia.

Arestovych believed that Russia would have the goal of degrading Ukrainian infrastructure and turning the country into a "devastated territory" in order to make the territory of Ukraine "uninteresting" to Nato. Russia would seek to destroy as much of Ukraine as it could prior to it being accepted into Nato, due to Russia not wanting to confront Nato directly, Arestovych said. Ukraine becomes "uninteresting to Nato as a devastated territory," he said.

Arestovych predicted that a large-scale Russian invasion that ended with Russia's defeat and was followed by Ukraine entering Nato would be the best option and one that would secure Ukraine's independence.

Perhaps most spooky of all, however, was the almost pinpoint accuracy with which Arestovych predicted the nature of Russia's attack. He described an air offensive, followed by invasions from the four separate armies Russia had created on Ukraine's borders. The invasions would involve a siege of Kyiv, an encirclement of Ukraine's forces in Donbas, an advance out of Crimea aimed at securing the peninsula's water supply and another assault from the territory of Belarus. He believed Russia would seek to create other "people's republics" like those in Donetsk and Luhansk throughout Ukraine.

In 2019 Arestovych believed the possibility of the invasion was "99.9%." He said that the "period between 2020-2022 was the most critical" for the inevitable Russian assault on Ukraine.


151 posted on 04/02/2024 10:08:55 AM PDT by woodpusher
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