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To: BeauBo; All

If you would like a current ( 1 month) informed discussion of the effect of the war on Russia’s economy. Ukraine’s attacks on Russia refineries is backfiring as a strategy to cripple Russia.

Russia continues to be the Roadrunner…meep meep

https://youtu.be/1E-419wTHio?feature=shared


25 posted on 03/14/2024 8:00:08 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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To: silverleaf

“Ukraine’s attacks on Russia refineries is backfiring as a strategy to cripple Russia.”

I don’t see that at all.

A million barrels per day of throughput was taken off line in two nights. Key critical infrastructure was destroyed. The distillation tower in Russia’s largest refinery was burning like an inferno, 12 hours after the strike.

The guy in the video that you linked, waved away the impact, saying that Russia could ship crude to China, and re-import the refined products. That is ridiculously slow and expensive. The reality is that Russia will be logistically stressed just to replace local supplies of refined products from the nearest intact Russian refinery.

Because of its loss of export market share for refined product, Russia has significant slack refining capacity overall, but pipelines to move the bulk of the product cannot be moved when critical nodes are taken offline.

A Chinese fire drill of trucks, trains and ships being thrown together to redistribute products that used to flow through a fixed pipeline network is not free, and has limits on how much load can be redistributed.

Russia instituted a six month ban on gasoline exports, as a result of less destructive recent attacks on refineries, than happened over those two nights this week.

Russia has been forced to suddenly reallocate its Air Defense systems from its combat forces in Ukraine, to its refineries - but there are not enough such systems in existence to protect all the critical nodes in Russia’s oil infrastructure, and Russian Military assets will likely soon suffer additional losses as a result of their loss of protection.


26 posted on 03/15/2024 5:05:10 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: silverleaf; USA-FRANCE

Another consideration, is that refineries are built with a certain grade of crude oil in mind.

For example several refineries along the Gulf Coast were built to process the very heavy sour (high sulfur) crude from Venezuela. They produce a lot of asphalt and roofing tiles, but they are not well suited for processing very light and sweet crude oils, like Saudi, or what we get from fracking in America.

Yields, and thereby profit margins, will vary, processing different crudes at different refineries. Many can’t or won’t process certain grades.

Russia’s main export oil is their Urals grade. It is a mix of heavy sour oil of the Urals and the Volga region with light oil of Western Siberia. That mixing requires and extensive (and vulnerable) infrastructure, across vast distances (many time zones). The great distances are a major factor in why the Power of Siberia 2 natural gas pipeline has not been funded - more than a thousand miles of it would have to transit wilderness, where there are not even any roads.

Not all the refinery capacity, or the crude oil can be interchanged, making for more concentrated/specialized points of vulnerability than otherwise.

Refineries are not built often. After the fall of the Soviet Union more than 30 years ago, most Russian refinery construction was conducted by the International Oil Majors, with a lot of the expertise and manufacturing capacity for many key components residing outside of Russia.

Since the collapse of the Soviet system, there has been a dramatic reduction in the scale of Russian technical education. The depth of their bench for engineering expertise is nothing like it was during the late Soviet Union. That trend has accelerated sharply during the current invasion, as education and health care have been the biggest bill payers in the Russian budget trying to cover the wartime deficits.

Restoring damaged refineries is likely going to be a non-trivial challenge for Russia, and there is no way that they could possibly keep up with the huge scale and rapid pace of refinery damage, if current trends continue. Just since this thread was started a few days ago, three more refineries have been successfully struck and set on fire - Novokuibyshevsk, Syzran and Perviy Zavod (a Military facility).


28 posted on 03/16/2024 7:29:28 AM PDT by BeauBo
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