Posted on 03/04/2024 9:59:51 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
There was no “Maidan coup”, apparently you’re dumb enough to believe the Russian propaganda
Ukrainian people simply threw out a Russian traitor who was trying to betray the country
Good riddance
Ah yes, the talking point that the Maidan Coup didn’t happen.
LOL
Even Wikipedia admits it happened.
The objective is to eventually bring in the great reset one whirled government.
For that the happen they have to destroy the governments of those nations.
And how else to do that but instigate an idiotic world war and even better, begin it from a position of extreme weakness?
In Euro and German terms, Merkel is not a “leftist socialist”.
She is a Christian Democrat, as Helmut Kohl and Konrad Adenauer were. That is the old-school center-right. Thsts how their voters vote.
There is an actual German left, that you will not like at all, and they currently have the German Federal government.
She had policy differences with Trump, etc., but to maintain perspective one must be accurate.
Note also that foreigners are going to be foreign in all sorts of ways. There is no point getting worked up by that.
Thanks for the clarification appreciate it. I always thought of Merkel since she came East Germany the GDR— that she had to carry her socialism with her. Will take another look at this and Adenauer and Kohl. So they are center-right Socialists. Yeah looking at the current real Left Germans— definitely can’t take them.
Hearkening back to Bismarck and his giveaways to the Socialists to keep them at bay- when in time they became dominant and of course the monarchy dissolved in WWI. What a screwed up country. It was of course determined that Willy Brandt was a Soviet/GDR agent in place== and was that before Germany joined NATO- can’t recall.
There were demos in Kiev.
People were upset that their President, Yanukovich, had gone back on his word, Ukrainian legislation, and the popular will, and shut down the deal to join the EU.
The then-government got upset with the demos, and started getting violent.
Ukrainian security at some point started shooting.
In the meantime the Rada (parliamentary assembly, like the US congress) elections brought in a very large majority opposed to the President, Yanukovich.
Yanukovich then lost a constitutional vote in the Rada (unanimously), and then the Rada voted, also unanimously, to remove Yanukovich as president. In both cases his own party coalition, outnumbered 3:1, abstained. Whereupon Yanukovich fled to Russia.
I dont see a coup, but a constitutional crisis brought on by Yanukovich doing extremely unpopular and arguably unconstitutional things, with no legislative support. The guy went politically kamikaze.
The only way you can call this a coup, a takeover by a cabal outside of constitutional order, would be if the coup plotters had somehow bought the people, and all their representatives. In that case the category of “coup” no longer fits, if it conforms with the will if a constitutional democracy.
You mean: The US state department helped create demonstrations just like in Egypt Libya and Syria.
Only idiots think the Obama led “Arab Spring uprisings” were only the mideast.
Brak was a busy little beaver toppling governments all over.
And Ukraine, was one of them.
Not socialists, but center-right.
The welfare state policies everyone supports - no kidding, there is O public support for what in the US are “conservative” policies, not even by the AfD, were brought in by the Bismark, as you say, not a leftist by any means, back in the 19th century. And now that is baked in.
Modern US political categories simply dont fit. You have to put your brain on a different track when dealing outside the US.
Yes most forget how close a thing Arab spring war was. They say Egypt was on the very precipice of major civil conflict. Most populous nation in Mideast in a bloody civil war, hard to imagine the effects that would have had.
Good ole HRC was masterminding that.
Yup.
And then in 2016 during the election she was constantly prattling about war with russia.
Conveniently forgotten by many it seems.
No, the US would have had to create public opposition, a huge task, else there would have been no demos of any substance. The US has no means to program the minds of millions. If you are going to help creste a crisis, its only going to work along the grain, not against it.
Any US intervention (if any was substantial) would have failed if it had opposed the local public. Astroturf doesnt work.
“Arab Spring” stuff worked only because most of the locals truly hated their rulers, for excellent reasons. The error there was that the locals wanted to behave as bad or worse than their evil ex-rulers. Sometimes the people are simply bad. Thats an arrogant way to write off millions, but its an unfortunate truth.
Ukraine wasnt like that, the people wanted good government and economic development, through constitutional order.
I hear the Incredible Hulk, Batman, Flash Gordon and The Dirty Bubble are also active in Ukraine. It’s the only reasonable explanation for Russia’s lack of progress.
It’s always hilarious to see the Moscow Kremlin’s useful fools demean and disenfranchise Ukrainians in exactly the manner that Marxist Democrats do to American conservatives.
Pretty much all of Europe is a “screwed up country”, by those standards. Everyone, in the end, copied Bismarck.
And most of Asia, even the good bits.
As I said, you have to take them all as they are.
Brandt’s top aide Günter Guillaume was a top Soviet agent.
There were rumors that Brandt was KGB. Also rumors that he was CIA. He may have been working both sides of the street. His actions could have been tactical and coordinated with German intelligence. Or the rumors may have been wrong. LaRoucheites were spreading them.
“No, the US would have had to create public opposition”
You mean like the “Arab spring uprisings”?
Well, if the reports of a bunch of SU 34’s and 35’s getting shot down are actually true, it sure isn’t the Ukes pulling that off.
At minimum there are “sheep dipped” NATO operators working on the on-going effort to attrit as much Russian military power as possible.
I’m not alright being murdered by them
Who would be
Same time nof afraid of death and wouldn’t miss living in the hell of the world they are devolving earth into
I already know who wins in the end and what their fate is
Nothing they do can change it
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