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To: Redmen4ever

“Wnat, if anything, is worth “our blood”?
Where should we draw the line, and whose blood are you referring to by “our blood”? “

Certainly not refighting Eastern Front WWII battles with us taking the German WWII side, and allied with the modern followers of Hitler. That is a starting place.

A better answer is looking at our founders. Not a single one supported this, nor the permanent “alliances” that have created this disaster. They did not go abroad seeking dragons to slay. Jefferson went after the Barbary pirates when they would not stop attacking us.

I would turn the question back to you. Can you point to any current conflict zone in the world that DC says is NOT worth our blood and treasure.


107 posted on 03/01/2024 7:32:00 AM PST by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI)
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To: DesertRhino

Thank you DesertRhino for not answering the question.

I personally defended us from your friends back before the collapse of the Soviet Union. My son defended us in his day. My father in his. We in my family have always been on our side, since my family arrived in this country.

As to where we have a moral obligation, it is with our country and with our NATO allies.

We also have what we call major non-NATO allies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally

There is and has been discussion of including Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine in the list of major non-NATO allies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally#Ukraine,_Georgia,_and_Moldova

But, importantly, this has not yet happened. Besides, it’s not clear what the category of major non-NATO ally involves. Are these mutual defense alliances, or are they one-way things?

I like mutual defense. I don’t like one-way things.

The question of whether it is worth our blood SHOULD BE addressed in three ways: (1) commitment to mutual defense, (2) commitment to democratic values, and (3) pragmatic considerations such as can the place be defended given its location.

As it is, while I have my opinions regarding specifics, I rely on our elected officials. For example, in 1956, our president decided NOT to come to Hungary’s defense when that country was invaded by Russia.

So, I appreciate the reluctance of some on this site who caution against coming to the aid of countries outside our defense perimeter. We have, for example, “aided” Arabs in Iraq and Afghanis who were not willing to defend themselves. This foolishness questions the ability of our government to make responsible decisions. We should be much more hard-headed than we have been.

Thanks for bringing up Jefferson. Yes, Jefferson - whose policy was “peace and free trade with all countries” - kicked ass twice against the Barbary Coast States, and that was very early in our history. There are times you just have to do that. Although, with missiles and nuclear missiles, we have to be very careful these days.


113 posted on 03/01/2024 7:56:35 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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