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To: delta7
I'm all for helping Ukraine, but a few common sense and ideally bipartisan accomplishments need to come first.

1. Make sure that European nations are all in, meaning absolutely, resolutely all in (after all, it's a European war that affects Europeans in Europe.)

2. Make absolutely certain that our US borders are 100 percent airtight, and that those who crossed illegally are swiftly returned to their homes. We should also bill the countries for what we paid for their services while here. It would, of course, be wrong to protect the borders of another country if we did not protect our own.

3. Rebuild our own US military to its strongest, most well trained and ready, best funded and most modern ever. Remove all those in command who have and have tried to wokeify our military.

4. Perform an exhaustive and comprehensive audit to find out precisely where (how much, to whom, for what, and all else) the tons of money that we've sent them landed and whether any of it was used for ill purposes. (And if so, any further deals are off and that's that.)

Common sense and easy peasy.

19 posted on 02/29/2024 12:42:07 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never...in nothing, great or small...Winston ChurchIill)
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To: Seaplaner

1) So far Europe has committed eu144 billion to Ukraine. (This figure may be slightly low / dated, as the figure the Ukraine Support Tracker gives for the US is also slightly low.) US commitments of aid as of 2/23/2024 actually amount to $74.3 billion (eu$68.7 billion).

2) Protection of US borders is not so much a matter of resources or money, it is a matter of POLICY. It doesn’t matter what Congress passes until we get a hardnose on immigration like like Trump as Pres., best with a Congress that will back him up. Whatever passes pre-2025, if Biden doesn’t like it he will subvert it. There’s no chance of convicting him if impeached, and even if convicted, then we have...

This makes the whole issue of “the border 1st”, at least time-wise, a bunch of grandstanding nonsense.

3) The majority of the weapons money for Ukraine goes to replenish US stocks with newer and often better weapons and munitions. (Some items are direct replacements, like new Excalibur shells for older ones.)

4) “Common sense” would tell you that ANY time gov’t money is handed out, at least 10% goes to waste and corruption. Usually the waste part is a lot worse than that. Now, rather than condemning all Ukies to Russian rule or worse, I’d say randomly select Ukie soldiers too badly wounded to return to fighting, and give them the resources to hunt down miscreants, who can then be turned over to squads of randomly selected Ukie soldiers that get rotated out of the front lines.

Another approach would be to simply supply only weapons, mostly larger systems very unlikely to leave Ukraine (and easily tracked), training, etc., and perhaps in this next go-round ~$2 billion in actual humanitarian supplies and materials. No money - we leave that to the Euros.

Note that old weapons that get replaced by newer weapons is by far the biggest chunk of support the US has sent to Ukraine.


32 posted on 02/29/2024 6:20:04 PM PST by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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