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Why Russia is So Desperate to Capture Avdiivka
Youtube.com ^ | 2-5-2024 | The Icarus Project@UNITED24media

Posted on 02/04/2024 10:18:18 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com

Russian forces are pushing hard to take the Ukrainian stronghold of Avdiivka. But why?

In this video, we do a deep analysis on Russia's staggering losses, including infantry, tanks, and heavy equipment. We talk about why Russia wants the city so badly, what Vladimir Putin's stake in it is, and how it all connects back to Russia's invasion of Crimea and the War in the Donbas.


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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

There were conservatives long before the French Revolution, and they have persisted to this day. What Americans consider a conservative was originally a species of liberal.

My species of conservative is that of the Vendee, of De Maistre, of the Carlists, of the Bourbon Restoration, of Chesterton, of C.S.Lewis, of Tolkien. None fit well with modern American ideas.


81 posted on 02/05/2024 1:23:27 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

I’ve always considered myself more of a Classical Liberal.


82 posted on 02/05/2024 1:24:13 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Even “classical liberals” are children of 1789, like it or not.


83 posted on 02/05/2024 1:28:40 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya
Why take two years to destroy an army

Russia doesn't WANT anymore territory from Ukraine. It wants Ukraine to surrender and leave its territory alone.

Why in the world would the Russians risk its soldiers' lives going on the offensive to take territory they don't want?

Your problem is that you have such a hatred of Russia that you don't care to even understand the Russian POV. That is kind of mentality that starts world wars.

84 posted on 02/05/2024 1:37:18 PM PST by Kazan
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To: buwaya

Well I’m certainly no monarchist.


85 posted on 02/05/2024 1:53:46 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Kazan

Its very clear that the original plan was for a coup de main to seize Kiev and overthrow the Ukrainian government, seize the Donets cossings from Zaporozhia to Kiev, and thereby force the bulk of the Ukrainian Army to surrender. Also to take Kharkiv by another coup de main.

All one needs to do is see what they sent where, and how.

That grand plan failed, so they attempted another grand encirclement via a breakthrough at Izyum. Failing that, they attempted the same, several times more in 2022, each time with less ambition. Then they started the “nibbling” approach.


86 posted on 02/05/2024 1:53:51 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: dfwgator

“Well I’m certainly no monarchist”

There you go. That makes you a liberal, as you said.


87 posted on 02/05/2024 1:55:33 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya
--- "My species of conservative is that of the Vendee, of De Maistre, of the Carlists, of the Bourbon Restoration, of Chesterton, of C.S.Lewis, of Tolkien. None fit well with modern American ideas."

What an amusing list, including the Vendée insurrectionists (who ultimately lost in the French revolution), but the point is made by you. A Catholic monarchist of sorts, aligning with Lewis who never became a Catholic, though Tolkien did via his mother at eight. But neither would have supported a Bourbon restoration and the rising again of that nice Spanish empire. Drop a lot of names, and expect people will find your scholarship admirable. Classic liberalism from the mid-17th century and to today also did not cheer the Bourbon Restoration. Nice list. Why not also wrap yourself in a flag? But it certainly would not be the American Stars and Stripes.

The interesting thing about 'taking testimony' and 'acquiring evidence' is that eventually even those who would pretend drop their guard. You've dropped your "en garde." Even Basque Provinces Carlism is nowhere near an ascendancy. Such is the "species of conservative" thought you claim. But words are words, and "conservative" gets misapplied.

As in "Barack Obama, conservative" -- source: Barack Obama, conservative WaPo, 22 November 2019

Free Republic doesn't seem quite a good fit for an admitted monarchist.

Words can be such fun. Scholarship can be fun too. I take you at your words. "Conservative" monarchist as you might define the word, but clearly not a good fit "with modern American ideas."

88 posted on 02/05/2024 1:56:35 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: buwaya

Guilty as charged, then. I was a liberal before the Communists hijacked the term.


89 posted on 02/05/2024 1:56:47 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

I wrap myself in the “aspa de Borgoña”, that the Bourbons wisely kept on, for a while anyway. That is the “rugged cross” version of the cross of Saint Andrew.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruz_de_Borgo%C3%B1a

It definitely isnt a good fit with “modern American ideas”. As always, I suggest “The Conservative Mind”, Russell Kirk, as a guide to where that “modern American mind” came from. And a guide as to whats in it. People in FR rarely look into their own heads.


90 posted on 02/05/2024 2:09:11 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

In re the Vendee, or the Carlists - a lost cause is no less virtuous for being lost. You will find many here defending the Confederacy, also lost, and far less virtuous than those.


91 posted on 02/05/2024 2:13:11 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: bimboeruption

Bimbo Clown! But you are only the 11th best clown here. Other Rooskie-Philes have you beat. You must try harder to be top of the heap.


92 posted on 02/05/2024 2:13:54 PM PST by dennisw (Be positive. Every day is a new day!)
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To: buwaya
--- "In re the Vendee, or the Carlists - a lost cause is no less virtuous for being lost. You will find many here defending the Confederacy, also lost, and far less virtuous than those."

Virtue. Monarchy.

Who's mentioned the Confederacy? Much less defended it? Or does your scholarship run from thing to thing, as in "look, squirrel! ?"

As to lost causes, some echoes of Vietnam (my era, when I was wearing olive drab courtesy of Lyndon Johnson) come to mind. Then there's that rather recent Afghanistan exit done so elegantly by Biden. A few others in between. Yup, "a lost cause is no less virtuous for being lost."

How do you do with Amalek?

93 posted on 02/05/2024 2:20:27 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: buwaya
--- "I wrap myself in the “aspa de Borgoña”, that the Bourbons wisely kept on, for a while anyway."

Thanks for testifying to your flag. Mine remains the Stars and Stripes.

Keep talking, you're convincing many on this Free Republic

94 posted on 02/05/2024 2:25:32 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

You DID complain about lost causes, and so I brought up the most popular lost cause in these parts.

The US “lost” mainly because the peoples involved, in the main, lacked the zeal for the ideology the Americans were pushing on them. These were “holy wars”, or ideological wars, ideology being a modern religion-substitute. The US failed on a spiritual level.

The Vendéens and the Carlists, in contrast, were suppressed by pure military force.


95 posted on 02/05/2024 2:33:12 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya
---"The Vendéens and the Carlists, in contrast, were suppressed by pure military force."

Ditto Citizen Capet. Happens. Sometimes.

96 posted on 02/05/2024 2:37:32 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

“Keep talking, you’re convincing many on this Free Republic”

Who do I need to “persuade”? There are idiots everywhere, and these people cannot be reached through any means available to me, which are religion, reason and historical perspective. I just laid out my own convictions and such. If that is not sufficient, then so be it.

You on the other hand, make no rooted case for your positions.


97 posted on 02/05/2024 2:38:54 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

“Even Basque Provinces Carlism is nowhere near an ascendancy.”

After Sabino Arana, Carlism was dropped (except in Navarra) in favor of Basque nationalism. Carlism was based, on a political level, on the demand for restoration of the medieval “fueros”, local rights, the origin of the (conservative) Catholic position of subsidiarity. After the consistent failure of Carlism, the Basques, very quickly decided to stop that business and demand independence outright.

For a while there Basque Nationalism triumphed, and in a few months fortune flipped and it turned into a “lost cause”. And it yet managed to survive in hearts and minds long enough to establish itself as the ruling ideology of its region, with all the “fueros” the old Carlists ever wanted.

So, the Carlists won. The Basque Nationalists haven’t quite won, yet.

This is not “en garde”, we are exchanging thrusts and ripostes.


98 posted on 02/05/2024 2:55:52 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya
--- " I just laid out my own convictions and such. If that is not sufficient, then so be it."

You ain't no Yankee Doodle Dandy,
A "monarchist" you say you are.
But not some offspring of some Bourbon King,
Who'd lost his head, par exemplar.
You ain't no fan for our Republic,
With Spanish stuff that's from afar.
You boast and brag and you drop some names,
But American you're not, so "no cigar."

--- cántalo conmigo --- with apologies to George M. Cohan.

Then so be it.

99 posted on 02/05/2024 3:01:11 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: buwaya; delta7
"The sad thing about FR is we have all these people who have been so embittered by domestic politics that they can no longer see what really matters."

2020 was not just Joe Stolen but the first installation of a US puppet state by the Deep State -- and a military coup barely avoided -- precisely to denigrate/disrupt/disgronify the minor thought processes of the unintelligentsia.

The knock-on effect, the wretched cognitive dissonance brought on by the ruling regime, has been patently obviously successful in so, so many posting histories since 2016; I could show you a quick dozen good Freepers who have simply let go of their executive thought processes because they cannot digest that a Republic whom some fought for, worked for, paid for, has so openly betrayed them; and yet that was precisely the objective in 2020.

It was baked-in-the-neomarxist-cake by a down-low homosexual fantasizer named Barack Obama.

That said, every. last. one. of. those. afflicted. "embittered". Freeptards. gotta. go.

Because when you call them out on their affliction, they either lie outright, or feign ignorance of their own ignorance, palsied by age and giving up on morality.

And once that happens, you end up with garbage like this...


100 posted on 02/05/2024 3:05:47 PM PST by StAnDeliver (TrumpII)
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