[jeffersondem]

“Politics has always been about power. Only fools give it up willingly.”

I don't know about that . . . our founding fathers came out of a monarchy and insisted on creating a Republic.

The Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights effectively redistributed power to the people in several sovereign states and away from the central throne.

I would not call our founders fools for fighting to decentralize political power.

[cowboyusa]

Lincoln was a bumbler. The Conf3deracy was lucky not to face Jackson or Polk.

[John S Mosby]

” The Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights effectively redistributed power to the people in several sovereign states and away from the central throne.

I would not call our founders fools for fighting to decentralize political power.”

Neither would I, FRiend. These were incredible intellects with rock solid belief in how to escape the monarchies of Europe— whom we all were later dragged into defending Europe’s surviving power groups (ex-Monarchists if one might say) from World Socialism, only to have World Socialism worm its way into nominally free states (imho, the NDSAP/Nazis realized their dreams with the winner’s help, leading to the EU and other clearly non-Republican ideas for the new sovereign states not conquered by the Soviets or freed from the Soviets until much later-just a thought). Wilson has a LOT to answer for- WWI to begin with and a useless League of Nations.