The Star Trek Election

The American Spectator ^ | 8/11/20 | Lou Aguilar

[DallasBiff]

Lucy depicted the first interracial marriage on TV. It happened to be HER interracial marriage

You are nuts.

[Texan5]

Gene
was not altruistic-even for a lib-he just wanted to avoid being sued for not being an affirmative action/equal opportunity employer-that crap was already getting started. You need to refresh your knowledge of the evolution of equal employment regulations/rules in the different industries-as a workers comp case manager, I have some knowledge of that sort of thing. And calling fellow Freepers “stupid” or any other badmouthing like that for not agreeing with your opinion just shows you to be un persona sin classe, senor...

[discostu]

That’s completely horse crap. You need to refresh yourself on basic thinking, history, and logic.

[Texan5]

Lucy was married to a Caucasian Cuban-a Hispanic guy-that is not racial mixing-it is different ethnic groups, no big deal. And don’t even start talking to me about how people saw ethnic differences in marriage in the 50’s and 60’s-I’m Hispanic-I’m pretty damn sure you are not. I’m from a Native Texas Hispanic family, lived in this ethnically mixed state my whole life and you have no idea what you are saying...

[Texan5]

And you have been handling EEOC issues as a requirement of your job for how long? Your facts are lacking...

[Reily]

Actually, Cubans don’t see themselves as Hispanic. They are Cubano. The ones I know get annoyed if called Hispanic.

[Texan5]

Will someone please give this discostu dude another shiny object to follow? It is obvious he is not from around here, and he is treading close to the edges of insult and being a bigot...

[discostu]

In 1966?! Sorry bub, once again your dogs ain’t hunting. If it was to avoid getting sued then why was Trek the only show on the air with a black and an oriental? Out here in reality Gene was woke. Gene was hunting diversity. Gene stuck woke messages in many episodes. Those are the facts. If you pretend otherwise it’s because you’re making crap up.

[Texan5]

One of my cousins in Florida is married to a Cuban smuggled out of there as a kid-he does not object to being called Hispanic-they live in the Miami area...

[Texan5]

Because the big budget shows were established and didn’t worry about the new wave of rules in 1966-1968. Somebody like Roddenberry would not have recognized the concept of diversity if it bit him in the ass, much less hunted for it. You are ill informed, as a couple of others here have also pointed out...

[scrabblehack]

In the negative universe, Sulu took command. On the other hand, they did have the positive Uhura as I recall.

In the series, she was Lt. - not promoted until after the series.

[Reily]

Everyone’s experiences are different! My Cuban American friends ger mildly annoyed.

[Reily]

Of course in today’s world there’s political and economic advantage to accepting the Hispanic label.

[Texan5]

There certainly is in the northern states-they use it shamelessly, which I find disgusting. I’ve never played that card-too many of us here and in the other southwestern states for that to work well, as well as Florida-all settled by the Spanish as part of New Spain in the 16th century, so hell yeah there are lots of Hispanic folks here...

[fr_freak]

Wow, sounds like your’re almost ready to cry now. This shouldn’t take long. Let’s get started:

You obviously don’t understand the term “woke”. You seem to think it is just a new term for your grandaddy’s old, misguided leftism from the 50s and 60s. Well, it isn’t - it is what the old ideas of liberalism mutated into once they were inundated with enough leninist/marxist garbage. Roddenberry and his contemporaries would have considered themselves “liberals” in their time, but “wokeism” is something different.

The liberals of Roddenberry’s time would have been shocked and appalled at things like 64 genders, grooming pre-pubescent children into changing their sex through hormone treatment and surgery, drag queens reading to pre-schoolers, people choosing oddball pronouns and demanding the world use those ridiculous things on pain of social cancellation, cross-dressers and trannies being in high places in government, including the military and presidential cabinet, and the idea that one must be a trained biologist to tell the difference between men and women.

Even as communist as many of them could be, and thus familiar with the idea of “oppressor” and “oppressed” classes, I think they would still have been shocked at the current DEI and Critical Race Theory dogmas being pushed that white people are inherently evil and inferior and should be wiped off the earth.

But these monstrosities, among many others, are the backbone of “wokeism”. If you need real-world current examples of how “wokeism” manifests in current society, you only need to look at Hollywood. You think Roddenberry was “woke” because he had Kirk kiss Uhura, especially in a time when interracial marriages had already been taking place for decades? Bah. Modern Woke Hollywood and its international counterparts now pollute every show, every documentary, every movie with their twisted ideology that Roddenberry and his ilk wouldn’t even recognize, let alone support. Race replacement and exclusion of whites from their own history and culture, constant sexual perversion promoted as normal, women consistently shown as physically and mentally dominant beings who can do no wrong, among myriad other atrocities.

Some examples:

1) Documentary about Cleopatra depicting her as black, despite clear documentation of her being Greek and existing paintings which show her fair skin, then promoting that lie as a social breakthrough
2) The BBC famously depicting Isaac Newton (in a documetnary) as an indian fellow, depicting Guenevere in the Arthurian legends as black, and showing Victorian London as having a modern day racial diversity, with non-caucasian lords and ladies.

Movies:
1) Peter Pan and Wendy: Peter Pan is now a south asian kid, and Wendy beats his ass easily, Tinkerbell is black. Half of the Lost Boys are girls.
2) The Little Mermaid (a Danish fairy tale): The red-haired fair mermaid is now black. The setting is now the Caribbean, and the queen is black. Poseidon has multiple mermaid daughters, all of whom are different races from each other.
3) Snow White: Snow White is now a darker-complected latina, and the seven dwarves are all normal size people of various races and some are women.

I could go on for quite a while (one only has to turn on any modern programming) but the point should be clear. The above examples are all traditional European stories. Imagine a traditional African story cast with white people, or a traditional Chinese story cast with white people, etc.

A last point to make in this regard: TV commercials are often pure, anti-white or anti-male propaganda. If you want a fine example of this, check out the “Best a man can get” series from Gilette which is a company which sells products aimed at masculine men, yet astonishingly came up with a whole line of commercials depicting men as bullies and rapists presumably to SELL RAZORS. There is no logical reason to sabotage your own brand this way, except when your upper management echelons have been filled by people brainwashed with wokeness.

This will get you started. You have to understand “woke” before you can understand how absolutely wrong about Star Trek TOS’s relation to “wokeness”. Good luck.

[discostu]

BESAHAHAHAH

You’re an idiot. Also an egomaniac. You could never make me cry. Laugh until I cry maybe.

Now here’s the basic situation:
“Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there.”
― Gene Roddenberry

That’s Gene saying the show was woke. He said it over and over and over and over again.

So you’re wrong.

You can lie to yourself and insist that “woke is different than 60s liberalism” but you’re full of $#^(. Woke is BASED on Star Trek liberalism.

Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination
IDIC
The watch-phrase of Trek
The whole basis of woke

Gene says your wrong. He said it hundreds of times. You’re wrong. And stupid.

[fr_freak]

Damn, dude. Cry some more. I can hear you stomping your feet from here, and some people are trying to sleep.

You post a vague Roddenberry quote about races learning to get along and you think that has ANYTHING to do with “wokeness” in 2024? LOLOLOLOL. And you say that while calling ME stupid. LOLOLOLOL.

Hey, how about you dredge up some quotes from Roddenberry about how there are 64 genders, men can be women, women are birthing people with a front hole, and the greatest threat to the modern world is white supremacy. Then I might think you have a point.

Until then, it doesn’t matter how much you cry about everyone else being stupid and you being a genius - you’re still retarded.

[discostu]

You are entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own facts. And among the facts you are not entitled to is defining woke. All woke is is acknowledging that prejudice exists, and trying to reduce it. That’s the whole bag of beans.

So acknowledging that the only women in authority on TV are sitcom moms and making a woman second in command on your fictional spaceship is woke.
When the networks objects to that so you “demote” the woman and make her black because there aren’t any of them in authority on TV either, that’s woke.
When you’ve gone that far and decide to include another group rarely in authority on TV, Japanese, in your main cast, that’s woke.
When you recognize the America is having issues accepting mixed race kids so you make another character half human half alien to represent these kids, that’s woke.

Gene has discussed every one of those decisions multiple times. And over and over he stated he was trying to addresses prejudices he saw in the world around him. The show was woke from the start. Even before doing things in the show like having the first interracial kiss on American TV, having Spock’s parents talk about the push back they faced for being an interracial marriage, or tell a story about a planet where the racism is so bad they’ve wiped each other out.

Trek was woke from day one. And if you ever supported Trek YOU have supported the woke agenda.

Suck it up buttercup.

[fr_freak]

You are entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own facts. And among the facts you are not entitled to is defining woke. All woke is is acknowledging that prejudice exists, and trying to reduce it. That’s the whole bag of beans.

Yeah, that is the whole bag of beans, and you quite obviously don't understand what the term "woke" means. In fact, the only people I've ever seen defend wokeness the way you are, by claiming it is just some benign awareness of prejudice, have been leftists who can't admit that their beloved ideology has turned beyond sour into something straight up satanic. So I don't know what that says about you, but there it is.

There absolutely is a term for the ideology that embraces 64 genders, boys becoming girls, sex between adult and minor men, and that all white people are evil. It is a very commonly used term, and even leftists use it to encapsulate these ideas. That term is "woke". If you are so isolated or exist in such a bubble that you don't realize that this is the current definition of the term across the ideological spectrum, then you need to recalibrate yourself.

But stop dropping into threads on a conservative forum, insulting everyone, and acting like it's 1960 where the average American would give a damn about a white guy kissing a hot black chick on TV. Heck, most of us would be happy it was a heterosexual kiss in this "woke" era.

Confucious say "If all you smell is sh!t, your head might be in your ass."

[discostu]

Oh look you almost managed a whole post without being a jerk... But you failed.

The simple reality is that Gene Roddenberry was as liberal as the day is long. And he deliberately set out in Star Trek to show a liberal utopia. The modern parlance is woke. All woke is is accepting people for who they are. And Trek paved the way for that in popular culture.