Posted on 01/20/2024 8:51:35 AM PST by Mariner
Trump is not interested in saber rattling like others in the room IMHO.
He may spend money too much money but that’s an issue to discuss another day.
‘Vladimir, if you do it {Ukraine}, we’re hitting Moscow.’ I said, ‘We’re gonna hit Moscow.’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XtqhOUCuPk&t=5s
TRUMP-”But if we didn’t have it we couldn’t talk but I listened to him constantly using the n word , that’s the n word, and he’s constantly using it. The nuclear word, and we never talk, we say oh, he’s a nuclear power, but we’re a greater nuclear power.”
(snip)
“You should say look , if you mention that word, one more time, we’re going to send them over and we’ll be coasting back and forth up and down your coast. You can’t let this tragedy continue. You can’t let these thousands of people die. It’s going to be hundreds of thousands and maybe millions of people by the time it ends.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-c1Me0Kezg&t=206s
Under Trump, the nuclear weapons industry has boomed
https://publicintegrity.org/national-security/future-of-warfare/under-trump-the-nuclear-weapons-industry-has-boomed/
Trump says US is ending decades-old nuclear arms treaty with Russia
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/20/politics/donald-trump-us-arms-agreement-russia/index.html
Trump’s new nuclear weapon has been deployed
https://www.defensenews.com/smr/nuclear-arsenal/2020/02/04/trumps-new-nuclear-weapon-has-been-deployed/
Trump says he would send nuclear submarines to go ‘up and down’ Russia’s coast to pressure Putin
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-send-nuclear-submarines-to-russias-coast-to-pressure-putin-2022-3
And her we go again, yet another Trump video for you guys:
In this video-interview Trump is very annoyed about Putin and threatens him to never threaten nations with nuclear terms ever again!
And he is very serious when he says it.
You think you know Trump? Apparently very little.
Trump says he would stop Putin from saying the word ‘nuclear’ ever again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL17-2yi9wE
I would think so. Especially since CNN actually tried to make a case (in several articles and pieces) that Trump supported Russia in the invasion and that he actually ‘praised’ it.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html
IOW, CNN, leftists the worldwide, MSM and Democrats would say/do anything to discredit President Trump
Great links ansel12!
We are helping a couple of lost souls on this thread to understand who Trump really is.
Here are 40 actions the Trump Administration did in support for Ukraine and undermining an aggressive Russia:
Arming Ukraine: The U.S. provided lethal military aid, including Javelin anti-tank missiles, to support Ukraine in countering Russian-backed separatists.
Rejection of Russia’s Annexation of Crimea: Trump’s administration consistently rejected Russia’s annexation of Crimea and supported Ukraine’s territorial integrity.
Support for European Allies: The Trump administration reaffirmed its commitment to supporting Eastern European countries against potential Russian aggression.
Withdrawal from INF Treaty: The U.S. under Trump officially withdrew from the INF Treaty, citing Russia’s violations.
Imposition of Sanctions: The Trump administration imposed several rounds of sanctions on Russia for actions like election interference, annexation of Crimea, and human rights abuses.
Expulsion of Russian Diplomats: In response to the Skripal poisoning in the UK, the U.S. expelled 60 Russian diplomats and closed the Russian consulate in Seattle.
Increased NATO Military Spending: Trump pressured NATO allies to increase defense spending to enhance the alliance’s capabilities against potential Russian aggression.
Condemnation of Nord Stream 2: Trump criticized the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project between Russia and Germany, expressing concerns over energy dependence and geopolitical leverage.
Accusations of Russian Cyberattacks: Trump’s administration publicly accused Russia of cyberattacks, including election interference and targeting critical infrastructure.
Suspension of INF Treaty Compliance: Before formally withdrawing from the INF Treaty, the U.S. suspended obligations under the treaty in response to Russia’s alleged violations.
Support for the Three Seas Initiative: The Trump administration expressed support for the Three Seas Initiative, promoting cooperation among Central and Eastern European countries to reduce dependence on Russian energy.
Presence in the Black Sea: The U.S. increased its naval presence in the Black Sea region to support allies and counter potential Russian aggression.
Magnitsky Act Enforcement: The Trump administration continued to enforce the Magnitsky Act, imposing sanctions on Russian officials accused of human rights abuses and corruption.
Expansion of U.S. Liquefied Natural Gas Exports: Trump aimed to increase U.S. LNG exports to Europe to decrease European reliance on Russian gas.
Sanctions on Russian Oligarchs: The U.S. imposed sanctions on Russian oligarchs with close ties to the Kremlin.
Support for Georgia and Moldova: The Trump administration reaffirmed support for Georgia and Moldova’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.
U.S. Cyber Command Actions: The U.S. Cyber Command took actions to disrupt Russian cyber operations.
Energy Diplomacy in Eastern Europe: Trump pursued energy diplomacy to promote energy diversification in Eastern Europe, reducing reliance on Russian gas.
U.S. Troop Deployment to Poland: The U.S. announced the deployment of 1,000 troops to Poland to counter Russian aggression.
Opposition to Russia’s Syria Policy: The U.S. opposed Russia’s military intervention in Syria and supported the opposition to President Bashar al-Assad.
Russian Private Military Companies Sanctions: The U.S. imposed sanctions on Russian private military companies, including Wagner Group.
Support for Belarusian Democracy: The Trump administration supported pro-democracy efforts in Belarus following disputed elections and protests.
Sanctions on Russian Banks: The U.S. imposed sanctions on Russian banks, including Sberbank and VTB Bank, for their roles in supporting Russian actions.
Export Controls on Technology: The U.S. tightened export controls on certain technology items to prevent their use in Russia’s military and intelligence activities.
Increased Military Aid to Eastern European Allies: The U.S. increased military aid and training to Eastern European countries, enhancing their defense capabilities.
Opposition to Russia’s Annexation of South Ossetia: The Trump administration opposed Russia’s recognition of South Ossetia’s independence from Georgia.
Support for Montenegro’s NATO Membership: The Trump administration supported Montenegro’s accession to NATO, despite Russian opposition.
Criticism of Russia’s Nuclear Weapons Development: Trump criticized Russia’s development of new nuclear weapons and delivery systems.
Support for Ukraine’s Reforms: The U.S. supported Ukraine’s reform efforts and anti-corruption measures.
Expanding the Black Sea Maritime Security Initiative: The U.S. expanded the initiative to enhance security cooperation among Black Sea countries.
Opposition to Russia’s Actions in Venezuela: The U.S. opposed Russia’s support for Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro during the political crisis.
U.S. Embassy Move in Israel: While not directly related to Russia, Trump’s decision to move the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem drew criticism from Russia and other countries.
Strengthening U.S. Cyber Defenses: The Trump administration worked to improve U.S. cybersecurity to counter potential Russian cyber threats.
U.S. Support for International Organizations: The U.S. supported international organizations that took actions against Russia, such as the UN and OPCW.
Criticism of Russia’s Intervention in Ukraine’s Presidential Elections: The U.S. condemned Russia’s interference in Ukraine’s elections.
Sanctions on Russian Intelligence Officers: The U.S. imposed sanctions on Russian intelligence officers involved in cyberattacks.
Refusal to Recognize Abkhazia’s Independence: The Trump administration did not recognize Abkhazia as an independent state, aligning with Georgia’s position.
Support for Kosovo-Serbia Dialogue: The U.S. supported the dialogue between Kosovo and Serbia, which Russia opposed due to its close ties with Serbia.
Support for Eastern Partnership Countries: The Trump administration supported the Eastern Partnership countries’ sovereignty and territorial integrity in the face of Russian pressure.
Yeah....a great bunch of statements there. But to put it in context of a comment about “Trump is the only President in US history who threatened to annihilate Moscow if Putin decided to attack Ukraine” being called a lie, how do these Trump pro-UKR statements listed actually answer that comment? IOW, where’s the link that actually shows Trump ‘threatened annihilation...?’
more BS propaganda from you Zeepers
you just cant help yourselves
“Yeah....a great bunch of statements there. But to put it in context of a comment about “Trump is the only President in US history who threatened to annihilate Moscow if Putin decided to attack Ukraine” being called a lie, how do these Trump pro-UKR statements listed actually answer that comment? IOW, where’s the link that actually shows Trump ‘threatened annihilation...?’”
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The 40 points I sent you are not “statements” as you said.
It’s 40 decisions and policy actions - things Trump actually and proactively DID!
And concerning Trump threatening to attack Moscow we already posted the links on this thread.
Here is yet another link about that:
https://www.tmz.com/2022/03/04/donald-trump-john-daly-threatened-bomb-moscow-putin-invaded-ukraine/
I also saw Trump being interviewed on a CNN townhall-like setting, people sitting all around him; where he repeats exactly the same thing he said in the link above.
I will try to find that video for you as well.
You thought Trump was a hippie-like peace dove...
Well, now you know he’s not.
Did you just skip over post 75 where he posted the video?
Or post 83 where it was posted again and quoted along with another Trump statement about nukes?
‘Vladimir, if you do it {Ukraine}, we’re hitting Moscow.’ I said, ‘We’re gonna hit Moscow.’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XtqhOUCuPk&t=5s
TRUMP-”But if we didn’t have it we couldn’t talk but I listened to him constantly using the n word , that’s the n word, and he’s constantly using it. The nuclear word, and we never talk, we say oh, he’s a nuclear power, but we’re a greater nuclear power.”
(snip)
“You should say look , if you mention that word, one more time, we’re going to send them over and we’ll be coasting back and forth up and down your coast. You can’t let this tragedy continue. You can’t let these thousands of people die. It’s going to be hundreds of thousands and maybe millions of people by the time it ends.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-c1Me0Kezg&t=206s
“more BS propaganda from you Zeepers
you just cant help yourselves”
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Oh yeah?
So now you say Trump is a Zeeper propagandist!?? What?
Try to disprove even only ONE of the 40 anti-Russia decisions / actions Trump made during his presidency from the 40-point list.
Yes that’s right, you can’t!
Because those 40 points have been verified and are all official anti-russia, top Trump actions. Its TRUMP APPROVED.
You apparently didn’t know that’s his policies were deeply anti-russian. That’s ok.
But... if you don’t support those 40 Trump decisions, then you are obviously an anti-trump supporter.
In that case who are you gonna vote for? Biden?? Really?? Please don’t!
WE need a pro-Ukraine, and anti-neoSoviet president in the white house. And that’s Trump.
They will do or say ANYTHING TO GET THEIR WAY.
IGNORE THEM. IGNORE IT.
WE HAVE BETTER WAYS TO FIX THINGS...VIA A TRUMP ELECTION.
OK, I got an answer back (the links from TMZ and YT and a long list of sentences that evaluated opinions of his policies). But I never got an answer or comment back on my post #85 asking about why CNN et al were implying Trump was all-in for support of RUS on this. It's kinda like you can't trust reporting from MSM anymore. /s
Those were before he was president, weren’t they?
I haven’t looked at the specific dates but they are what pops up as the first answers on a web search.
The CNN link I cited was on a story from March of 2022.
Aren’t the old videos and statements they are using from before his presidency?
See #96.
When I looked at that article I saw links to pre-president statements and video, 2014 and 2016 stuff.
What is it that you are trying to get at or inquire about?
Ukraine was a different place before Zelensky and his reform party and before the pro-Russia man was driven out, and Trump was hem-hawing and trying to be charming to the powerful Putin before Trump became president, but when he became president his actions against Russia were hard and tough while he still talked friendly in public.
You asked about when. I answered with the date (2022) of the original link I posted.
I fail to see the importance of your questioning and re-questioning.
I merely asked originally about why the disconnect between what some MSM were reporting as ‘Trump-Bad-Supports-RUS’ and now others saying ‘RUS-Bad-Trump-said-he’d-annihilate-RUS.’
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