New York Times Finally Admits The Left’s War On Standardized Tests Was ‘Misguided’

The Federalist ^ | January 10, 2024 | Helen Raleigh

[coloradan]

So, all of its previous support for said war was misinformation and/or disinformation. Please remind me again what sanctions for such misdoings were advised and supported by the NYT?

[DeplorablePaul]

Some NYT editor’s kid got passed over for an Affirmative Action kid at an ivy no doubt. Otherwise, the NYT wouldn’t care if white or Asian males kids get screwed.

[Seaplaner]

A few decades back, I had a notoriously difficult professor for Biochem. He was a stingy grader and proudly so. (He had also authored the text book.)

The first class meeting, he told the class that if we want to know what's on the midterm exams, it's easy. "Everything." And he was not kidding. And did we students ever work hard, hoping to earn as much as a B-? Yup. And what I learned in order to do well on the bone crushing exams (everything) has served me well into grad school, and then to a science career.

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Related, kinda.

I also had a philosophy prof whose exams were all essays. He knocked each exam down a full letter grade for each misspelling and for each grammar error. What I learned in order to do well on his exams has also served me well for many decades (although I'm still spelling challenged at times.)

[linMcHlp]

"The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive." - Thomas Sowell

Institutions - including the totems of government agencies.

[2manydegrees]

I taught college classes at several institutions.

Anybody who believes that SAT’s don’t matter is just blind, intentionally or otherwise..

SAT’s are very predictive of how long it is going to take a student to do homework. If a student is way behind educationally, they are going to have to work harder and longer to keep up with class assignments. A strongly motivated student can do this, but possibly at great cost in terms of stress and sacrifice.

College teachers monitor, or at least should monitor, what they are asking from their students. A college education is a good thing, but it is not the be-all and end-all of a students life. Overwhelming students is a very bad thing.

The impact of all this on teaching is that teaching depends on evenly prepared student populations. Well prepared students (good SAT’s being one measure) can be asked to do more and get more from the experience. Less prepared students can be asked for a bit less or can be given more time to achieve the same results.

This stuff is not political or a matter of race. Students differ in a lot of ways. Good preparation is not group or ethnicity determined. Students come to class the way they come. Good teachers work with what their students can do.

Trying to make students produce more than is consistent with a balanced life is wrong. Teaching down is wrong, also.

[linMcHlp]

bttt

[Ge0ffrey]

The NYT is dead to me, even if they’re right twice a day.

[linMcHlp]

High school counselors were without merit.

Tests did seem to determine a distinction between difficulty and interest levels.

Commanding and, or, demanding “You must study!” were failures.

Hands on participation by parents, teachers, leaders, and students of all ages, had positive results more often, than not.

Capturing the imagination of students, gets an A in my view.

Too many leaders and teachers, and some parents, are not leaders nor teachers.

[linMcHlp]

CORRECTION:

Tests did NOT seem to determine a distinction between difficulty and interest levels.

[BobL]

“One of the loudest opponents of standardized tests is teachers unions. Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, claimed in a tweet: “Standardized testing doesn’t help kids learn, and it doesn’t help teachers teach.””

What’s AMAZING is how many people on our side regurgitate the same BS...the same excuses. (personally, I suspect that most of those people spent more time talking about their kid playing football than actually learning anything in high school, but that’s my opinion)

In Asia, you take ONE TEST to get into college. And that ONE TEST is the ONLY criteria used to assess you (at least in the countries that I’m familiar with). It’s up to you how hard you want to study. Oh yeah, it goes without saying that Asians beat the pants off of the US regarding academic achievement.

[ealgeone]

This hasn't gone away. They still believe and advance this. And it has been around since the late 80s. It's an admission black culture is a failure.

[muir_redwoods]

An idea so stupid only an intellectual could fall for it.

[minnesota_bound]

“If diversify is a strength, then why do we need to lower standards?”