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To: Macho MAGA Man

Here’s the American Greatness article that Trump referenced:

The Constitution Absolutely Prohibits Nikki Haley From Being President Or Vice President

https://amgreatness.com/2024/01/01/the-constitution-absolutely-prohibits-nikki-haley-from-being-president-or-vice-president/

The question of presidential eligibility under the Constitution has been a hot button one, especially in recent years with the controversial campaigns of John McCain, Barack Obama, Ted Cruz, and most recently, Kamala Harris. The controversy arises from the text of the Constitution itself. Article II, Section 1, stipulates that “No person except a natural born citizen or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.” The core issue centers on the meaning of the phrase “natural born citizen.” The Constitution explicitly lays out three requirements to run for president: (i) be at least 35 years old; (ii) have been a resident of the United States for at least 14 years; and (iii) be a natural-born citizen of the United States.

The question of natural born citizenship is crystal clear, though it often gets confused with the more controversial debate surrounding birthright citizenship. From the outset, it should be stressed that the two are entirely different constitutional issues. The question of natural-born citizenship as an eligibility requirement for president is well settled, whereas the issue of birthright citizenship is still up in the air.

There is a reason the Founding Fathers attached the requirement of being a “natural born citizen” to the President (and, with the passage of the Twelfth Amendment, the Vice President) only and no other federal offices. The idea was to elevate the threshold for the highest elected political office of the land; notably, that language is absent in Article I, which stipulates that lawmakers running for the House or Senate need only be “citizens” to qualify. The early debates surrounding the passage of the Constitution add support for the view that the Framers wanted to exclude “the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national government,” as John Jay wrote to George Washington in July of 1787.

A central concern for the architects of the nascent American republic was that only the most qualified statesmen be eligible for the country’s highest office. In his Commentaries, Joseph Story elaborated that “[i]t is indispensable… that the president should be a natural born citizen of the United States… [T]he general propriety of the exclusion of foreigners, in common cases, will scarcely be doubted by any sound statesman.” Joseph Story, who enjoyed over a thirty-year reign as Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, famously elaborated the principles of the republicanism of Alexander Hamilton and John Marshall well into the mid-nineteenth century. His Commentaries specifically distinguished between natural born and naturalized citizens, the latter of whom were ineligible to run for president, despite qualifying for the privileges of citizenship. This view is supported by the best legal commentary of the day, Emmerich de Vattel’s Law of Nature and of Nations, a contemporaneous authority for the Founding Fathers on questions of citizenship. de Vattel’s work states that “[t]he natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” The question of natural born citizenship is ergo fundamentally distinct from the ongoing issue of birthright citizenship, raised in the Fourteenth Amendment, which confers citizenship to “[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States.” The key word here is citizenship, not eligibility for the presidential office, which, as noted earlier, demands a much higher threshold for qualification.

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3 posted on 01/09/2024 3:46:41 PM PST by Macho MAGA Man (The last two weren't balloons. One was a cylindrical objects Trump is being given the Alex Jones tr)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

“There is a reason the Founding Fathers attached the requirement of being a “natural born citizen” to the President (and, with the passage of the Twelfth Amendment, the Vice President) only and no other federal offices.”

The natural born citizenship clause became far more important than simply allowing foreigners into the office of the Presidency when the Presidency also became the Commander-in-Chief of all the nation’s armed forces. If it wasn’t for this fact, simply being a 14A §1 birthright citizen would have sufficed. That is to say, a citizen at birth with no need to naturalize.


20 posted on 01/09/2024 4:21:04 PM PST by batazoid (Plainclothes cop at Capital during Jan 6 riot...)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

If this is so constitutionally clear, and if constitutional clarity on this matter is useful for even a warm thimble of spit.... how is it that Obama was allowed to serve as President for two terms and how is it that Kamala Harris is currently the sitting vice president?

Those things happened. Nobody is going back and undoing them, no matter what constitutional fever dream anyone wants to believe in. There’s no appetite in Congress or in the Judicial system to make any statutory changes that will make anything any different. This is a dead issue. To keep on trying to relitigate it in an echo chamber is just boob bait for bubbas.


37 posted on 01/09/2024 6:08:26 PM PST by jz638
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To: Macho MAGA Man

No Person except a natural born Citizen.

Article got it wrong
Spelling and caps matter

You have to be born a Citizen.
Only two Citizen parents can conceive, and create, a new Citizen


44 posted on 01/09/2024 6:39:13 PM PST by Steven Tyler
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