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NATO’s war problem: weak armor
Asia Times ^

Posted on 01/04/2024 7:23:22 PM PST by FarCenter

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To: PIF

Which could be eliminated through counterbattery fire, as is starting to happen.


61 posted on 01/05/2024 2:52:58 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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Which could be eliminated through counterbattery fire

Which could be eliminated by drones or F-16s, which could be eliminated by etc.


62 posted on 01/05/2024 3:10:00 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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Point is, tanks are far from dead or obsolete in the current circumstances.


63 posted on 01/05/2024 3:11:55 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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"...Russia has demonstrated in Ukraine that in conventional warfare it can knock out some of NATOs best tanks and decimate Western armored fighting vehicles like the US Bradley and the German Marder....

Anyone who knows which end of the tube the round comes out of knew when it was first fielded (early 1980s) that the M2 & M3 Bradleys were under-armored. They're not even 50-cal-proof, much less 125mm-proof.

64 posted on 01/05/2024 8:53:55 PM PST by threefinger
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agreed


65 posted on 01/06/2024 3:50:56 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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As The Chieftain over on YouTube likes to point out, there really isn’t a “best tank at everything over all others” and there probably never was. Every optimization has a price, every compromise has weakness. However, he’s on record as saying that the Merkava IV is probably the best tank in the world for the specific use case and threat scenarios it is anticipated to encouter.

Put another way, it’s more a question of which tank is best for the uses you are going to put it to rather than just the best overall. Kind of like the modern US car market these days.


66 posted on 01/06/2024 7:16:03 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: threefinger

Um... the base M2 is actually proof against not just .50BMG but the Russian HMG 14.5mm API armor to start and the newer armor package on the M2A2 is proof against 30mm APDS and most RPG rounds (though not tandem warheads). The M2A3 of 2000 had the armor further improved (spaced laminate armor and a Kevlar liner) plus adds reactive armor.

Pretty much all the US M2s and M3s in service in the late 2000s were updated to the M2A3 armor standard.


67 posted on 01/06/2024 7:24:29 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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