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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I thought “natural born citizen” was actually clearly defined in English common law which the Founders used for parts of the Constitution. The Founders after establishing a country did not want a future President who may have been born here from a foreigner , to be eligible for President. Natural born with 2 citizen parents would not owe loyalty to any other nation. (Except they didn’t foresee an Obama or Harris who were mostly raised outside of the country)


19 posted on 12/26/2023 6:23:46 PM PST by Greenidgypsy (I loathe the MSM.)
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To: Greenidgypsy

You are correct


25 posted on 12/26/2023 6:45:32 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I didn't come here to guide lambs, but to awaken lions 🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️)
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To: Greenidgypsy

“The Founders after establishing a country did not want a future President who may have been born here from a foreigner , to be eligible for President.”

Exactly. It’s all about where a person’s loyalty lies.


32 posted on 12/26/2023 7:10:12 PM PST by MayflowerMadam ("A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once.")
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To: Greenidgypsy

In the early days of the 0bola illegitimate presidency long reasearch threads discussed the accepted understanding of “natural born citizen” using historical references. It is clear that at that time the meaning was born on the soil, to citizen parents. Jus solis, jus sanguinus. At that time, and for some time after, a woman non-citizen who married a US citizen, automatically assumed his US citizenship status. But that changed at some point.

Kameltoe is not a NBC, as both her parents for not only foreign nationals, they didn’t even have green cards, they were here on student visas. And any person born of one Jamaican parent is a automatically at birth a Jamaican citizen, where ever they are born. She is not eligible to be VP as the requirements for VP are the same as for POTUS.


118 posted on 12/27/2023 1:14:37 PM PST by little jeremiah (Nothing Can Stop What Is Coming)
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To: Greenidgypsy
I thought “natural born citizen” was actually clearly defined in English common law which the Founders used for parts of the Constitution.

The English did not use the term "citizen." They used the term "subject."

In the English of 1787, "citizen" meant someone who lives in a city. I've looked it up in several period dictionaries, and I have yet to find one that describes the word "citizen" as meaning someone who owes allegiance to a nation.

A natural born subject is indeed defined in English common law, but not a "citizen."

By changing to "citizen" we eschewed the English common law source of meaning, and embraced the Emmerick Vattel source of meaning.

In Switzerland, they used the word "citizen." They were the only nation in the world to use it thus at the time.

137 posted on 12/27/2023 3:31:57 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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