Ukrainian troops fighting on Dnipro river say official claims of success are misleading: 'There are no positions. It's a suicide mission'

MSN - Business Insider ^ | December 17, 2023 | Alia Shoaib

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

Most of what you wrote was assertions about things to which I do not subscribe. It is a cheap way of erecting strawmen you think you can knock down, but sometimes miss.

Here's some "Russia" propaganda related to the Hamas-Israel war -- which I hope Israel wins decisively.

Biden is sending $100M in aid into Gaza. Is any of it ending up in the hands of Hamas? USA Today, 27 November 2023

Biden Resumes Aid to Palestinians Jewish Virtual Library

U.S. Support for the Palestinian People State Department, 26 March 2022

Gaza is plagued by poverty, but Hamas has no shortage of cash NBC News, 25 October 2023

Appropriations Act for FY 2022 Increases Assistance for the West Bank and Gaza US AID

USAID Annual Spending to Support Palestinians and Peacebuilding Tops $150 Million

Petulance and misrepresentation to the point of outright lies are not the stuff of discourse nor debate.

And, by the way, I worked twice in Israel, and have greatly enjoyed actually being in the Holy Land. Additionally, being drafted during the LBJ administration, I served in the US Army and later National Guard, so your slurs are wholly unjustified and unproven. In which branch of our military did you serve?

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

Your inane misuse of the term "blood libel" shows you are ignorant of the meaning of the term.

Unless you are prepared to document -- with citation and links -- any actual "blood libel" directed at any in the Ukraine, you show yourself little more than a wholly uninformed hot head.

[Williams]

Then look at your fellow travelers here before you leap.
They have written every anti American and anti Western assertion I listed, in spades.

And those are not exaggerations. Many coldly did the Hamas response was “understandable” because of Ukraine.

According to many of them Western society is less free than Russia.

All the craziness about homos and nazis.

You don’t want to support Ukraine, fine but I do, and I reject crap that is straight out of Tokyo Rose or Soviet propaganda.

If you’re a great good guy Good Bless you.

But G can Putin and Russia to Hell.

Oh and something many of them will never say:
Good Bless America! not Russia.

Now where do we disagree

[Williams]

I did not erect strawmen. That stuff is posted constantly and much of it in this thread.

If you’re listening to whatevers like Jon Preston then please. And many are.

I can’t sit by while they dance around like typical leftists.

[dforest]

Have you broke the bad news to Deny and Reverend Mother yet?

Go gently lest they accuse you of being a Putinist.

Remind then this source is one of their guys.

[Williams]

Blood libel has been used to describe defamation beyond the specific historical meaning of the phrase.

Many are accusing Ukraine of murdering its own citizens for nefarious purposes. This is a pure propaganda tactic and immoral when they are defending their country.

The Ukrainians are depicted as Jews were, evil, corrupt, serving false Gods like nazism or homosexuality, and killing their own citizens including children purely for corruption or to start a Third World War.

Blood libel.

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

--- "Then look at your fellow travelers here before you leap."

You are a fumbling fellow. You wrote the words you wrote TO ME.

As to "fellow travelers," even the phrase has little meaning. The forum is not divided into only two mini-parties somehow reflecting the national political divide. There are many views I have read, suggesting some Freepers are most well-read and subtle and not marching in lockstep of any kind.

I have often stated outright that Putin and Zelensky both represent corrupt, thuggish regimes. For this the true Z-proponents have branded me some sort of Ruskie. I'll add some additional thuggish regimes to the mix: the Biden administration, the Xi government, the EU Commission, and "climate change" and "equity and diversity" leaders of NATO. Corruption abounds.

As to "God bless America," I pray this with regularity. But try to paint me as you have, and you will be answered in kind. Mine will usually be with documentation, and not just numb assertions.

And YES, you severely misused the term "blood libel." Start by learning what a huge error you made.

Blood Libel Jewish Virtual Library

Blood libel Wiki article

The Blood Libel – William of Norwich The Holocaust Explained

[Williams]

First you cannot be unmindful of the company you keep.

Next I despise everyone on your negative list.

Ukraine is not the seat of everything you and I hate about the Biden administration.

If you think the essential issues involving the invasion of Ukraine are globalism, climate change, equity, the Biden administration, etc, then you are severely misguided on Ukraine.

[Navy Patriot]

Have you broke the bad news to Deny and Reverend Mother yet?

I plan on sending a Zelensky Dancing Telegram to let them know.

[Reverend Wright]

The New York Times reporting this story really is “Man Bites Dog”.

We are watching “The Cathedral” shift the narrative in real time.

[Forward the Light Brigade]

AS Sam Houston once said: “The Truth Burns, but burns clean.”

[MinorityRepublican]

The death of huge numbers of white young men in Ukraine and Russia is being celebrated daily by the globalists.

We'll all convert to Islam. This will just make things quicker.

[Navy Patriot]

First you cannot be unmindful of the company you keep.

The company you keep.

[Reverend Wright]

“Go speak up in Europe, then go to those countries and speak up. Which one will you survive in.”

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No-one in China Russia NK Iran gets criminally charged for “misgendering”.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-surrey-47638527

[Williams]

More nonsense about a war.

Do those pictures turn you on?

[Reverend Wright]

Russia is not the first country in history to have unsavory allies.

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

--- "If you think the essential issues involving the invasion of Ukraine are globalism, climate change, equity, the Biden administration, etc, then you are severely misguided on Ukraine."

Hmm.

Earlier in this thread, one reads: "And, by the way, I worked twice in Israel, and have greatly enjoyed actually being in the Holy Land. Additionally, being drafted during the LBJ administration, I served in the US Army and later National Guard, so your slurs are wholly unjustified and unproven. In which branch of our military did you serve?"

"If you think" is not a discussion with me. It is you propping up that which you would knock down.

As to being "severely misguided on Ukraine," you failed to read Mr. Robinson's verbatim view of -- "...a difference of opinion whether or not the US government should be involved in a controversial foreign war where we were not attacked."

[Navy Patriot]

Which one brings you the little boys?

[Williams]

There we go W Traveler your buddy is posting that Red China and Russia are better because they don’t ban “misgendering”.

Do you denounce that dung? Do you think China is morally equivalent to America or Europe? This is pure rank anti American propaganda.

And how about the stupid “gay” pictures of Zelensky dancing. Do you think that has something to do with the war in Ukraine.

Yes the vile anti American company you keep.

Let me answer: Red China and Russia are filthy murdering dictatorships and I hope their leaders drop dead.

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

So impressive. So bold. So what?

No one on these forums to my knowledge is holding elective office at the national level or working in the State Department or DoD affecting policy. Nope. Not me. Not the Freepers at whom you growl. Not even the Freepers whom you applaud. Not even you.

Not even you. Hope is not a strategy.