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But here’s something even worse. It turns out that Giuliani couldn’t comply with significant parts (or all?) of the discovery request because the material demanded wasn’t in his care, custody, or control (those are legal terms of art). And why wasn’t it in his care, custody, or control? Because the FBI confiscated much of it.

The fact that Giuliani never had his case actually tried also means that all the recent headlines about Giuliani refusing to testify in his trial (see here and here, for example) are misleading. They imply that Giuliani refused to testify in his own defense on the substantive charges. In fact, he was already barred from doing so. All that he could do would be to sit in court and listen to the plaintiffs explain why they were entitled to almost $150,000,000 in damages.

Giuliani also said that he was having a hard time paying his attorneys, which affected his ability to respond to discovery, and that possibility leads to a different issue. There is a possibility that his attorneys messed up. I am not saying that they did. It’s just something that can happen.

2 posted on 12/16/2023 8:16:52 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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4 posted on 12/16/2023 8:30:07 PM PST by kiryandil (The Biden: "Zelensky, we need to sit down and have a talk.")
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To: SeekAndFind
But here’s something even worse. It turns out that Giuliani couldn’t comply with significant parts (or all?) of the discovery request because the material demanded wasn’t in his care, custody, or control (those are legal terms of art). And why wasn’t it in his care, custody, or control? Because the FBI confiscated much of it.

Can Giuliani appeal this travesty of a decision?

5 posted on 12/16/2023 8:31:24 PM PST by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell>)
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To: SeekAndFind
Right on point...should be appealable.

and, never-mind Ruby originally got caught on bodycam about admitting there was election fraud...I don't see where Rudy's attorney's went down that road.(I posted this elsewhere)

still no mention of the cop's bodycam or other videos or the audio tapes found here... scroll near the end of the article:(Rumble drawback, no closed captioning)(I saved what i could..still have trouble saving rumble videos)

this is an old report....

https://www.georgiarecord.com/elections/2022/12/25/ruby-freeman-body-cam-admissions-revealed-in-the-georgia-ballot-scanning-scandal/

Newly uncovered police body cam footage of Ruby Freeman reveal her stunning admissions that directly contradict allegations made under oath by January 6th Committee witnesses, by certain reporters and show hosts, by members of Congress, and by lawyers in sworn statements to Federal Court. Freeman volunteers to blow the whistle on election fraud.

In the body cam, Ruby Freeman alleges a coverup by the Georgia Secretary of State, the DOJ/FBI, the GBI, and the Fulton County DA.

911 call transcript, body cam videos, and police report were obtained by Open Record Requests. From that information investigators have learned that the police report was supplemented in contradiction of the facts.

6 posted on 12/16/2023 8:33:24 PM PST by stylin19a (Back when men cursed & beat the ground with sticks, it was named witchcraft. Today it's named golf.)
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To: SeekAndFind
But here’s something even worse. It turns out that Giuliani couldn’t comply with significant parts (or all?) of the discovery request because the material demanded wasn’t in his care, custody, or control (those are legal terms of art). And why wasn’t it in his care, custody, or control? Because the FBI confiscated much of it.

Sure, it wasn't fair, but our judicial system doesn't care about fairness. The job of the trial court judge in this system isn't to be fair. It's to shape the outcome of the case. ALL of the procedure is wrong, but good luck getting an appellate court to reverse this judge, but the appellate courts frequently don't care about justice for the average person, and care less for political opponents.

The fact that Giuliani never had his case actually tried also means that all the recent headlines about Giuliani refusing to testify in his trial (see here and here, for example) are misleading. They imply that Giuliani refused to testify in his own defense on the substantive charges. In fact, he was already barred from doing so. All that he could do would be to sit in court and listen to the plaintiffs explain why they were entitled to almost $150,000,000 in damages.

The longer a judge sits on a federal court, the more arrogant they get because they know how much they can get away with doing.

Giuliani also said that he was having a hard time paying his attorneys, which affected his ability to respond to discovery, and that possibility leads to a different issue. There is a possibility that his attorneys messed up. I am not saying that they did. It’s just something that can happen.

Giuliani is the guy who told Trump not to give Sydney Powell the paperwork for her special counsel appointment to investigate the 2020 Big Steal. Giuliani told Trump if he did that, they would all go to jail. How did that work out?


15 posted on 12/17/2023 8:43:34 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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