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To: ought-six

“Just think: There were TWO World Wars within twenty-one years; and none in almost eighty years.”

Yeah, you know what caused the first one? Tripwires. The heir to the throne of Austria-Hungary was killed by a Serbian so Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia. And then Serbia’s ally Russia declared war on Austria-Hungary. And then Austria-Hungary’s ally Germany declared war on Russia. And then Russia’s allies Britain and France declared war on Germany and Austria-Hungary.

And we had a worldwide conflagration because of a minor event between two countries.

I get the point of deterrence, but when everybody wants to be in NATO just so they can be protected by the United States, it’s time to exit. Some of us are tired of being involved in Europe’s problems.


79 posted on 12/09/2023 12:50:18 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706; ought-six

“Tripwires. The heir to the throne of Austria-Hungary was killed by a Serbian so Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia. And then Serbia’s ally Russia declared war on Austria-Hungary. ...”


The alliances turned a small Balkan war into a continental war.

The NeoCons want to use NATO to turn a war over the borders of the Donbass into a global war


86 posted on 12/09/2023 1:01:18 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: cotton1706

Have you read the NATO charter? It obligates NO member to employ military force; it just obligates the members to respond as they best see fit, up to and including the use of force.

The pertinent clause:

From Article V:

(In case of an attack upon a member state), “...each member state is to assist by taking ‘such action as [the member state] deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.’”

NATO works because of the THREAT of using force in defense. If Russia (or any belligerent) thinks that threat is hollow, then a European conflagration is all but assured. Because aggression is forever hungry, and needs constant feeding.


99 posted on 12/09/2023 1:14:42 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: cotton1706
I get the point of deterrence, but when everybody wants to be in NATO just so they can be protected by the United States, it’s time to exit. Some of us are tired of being involved in Europe’s problems.

And paying for them endlessly, so they can expand their socialist paradise on our dime.

104 posted on 12/09/2023 1:20:31 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I didn't come here to guide lambs, but to awaken lions 🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️)
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