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House Ukraine skeptics lay out hard-line demands amid Senate border talks
The Hill via Yahoo ^ | December 7th, 2023 | Brad Dress

Posted on 12/07/2023 12:59:49 PM PST by Mariner

Even if senators can overcome the current gridlock over Ukraine funding, some House Republicans are already signaling opposition to any bill that links aid to major immigration reform.

Several House conservatives who have repeatedly voted against Ukraine told The Hill their vote was reliant on passing H.R.2, a stringent border security bill, or similar legislation.

Some hard-line Ukraine skeptics in the House also appear open to backing Ukraine for strong border protections — but have signaled that immigration reforms must go first.

“Until the border is secure, I don’t even want to consider Ukraine,” said Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas), the policy chair of the ultraconservative House Freedom Caucus. “Demonstrate the border is secure … or don’t even bother coming to us with Ukraine.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Ukraine
Contrary to all the promises made by the admin, the DoD, Senators, State and so many others...Ukraine will get exactly nothing.
1 posted on 12/07/2023 12:59:49 PM PST by Mariner
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To: Mariner

Federal govt

Shouldn’t be funding

Partisan esoteric

Liberal religion - causes

2 posted on 12/07/2023 1:03:21 PM PST by Firehath (Quackery - An irrelevant simplification / undetected Complex problem - attacking symptoms)
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Current Ukraine aid flows are down 90%.

And they still not smart enough to cut a deal.

3 posted on 12/07/2023 1:04:03 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Senate Dimocrats introduced dimwit Biden’s so-called $110.5 billion “national security package.”
US tax dollars to Ukraine and Israel for THEIR security......not our security.

Also includes $14B for Biden’s cockeyed version of “border security”......
facilitating the entry of even more illegals at the southern border.

The Senate voted Wednesday and failed to reach the 60-vote threshold,
ultimately blocking the proposal from coming up for consideration

4 posted on 12/07/2023 1:04:29 PM PST by Liz (Women have tremendous power — their femininity, because men can't do without it. Sidney Sheldon)
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That’s WORLDWIDE not just US aid.

5 posted on 12/07/2023 1:04:49 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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“Demonstrate the border is secure … or don’t even bother coming to us with Ukraine.”

Almost a year late (ten years actually), but its better than never.

6 posted on 12/07/2023 1:18:10 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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Venezuela trying to seize oil-important parts of Guyana:

7 posted on 12/07/2023 1:21:49 PM PST by linMcHlp
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Democrats warn they are deeply worried about direction of border talks.

To add to the legislative hurdles, a number of Senate Democrats warned the direction of ongoing border negotiations could imperil aid for Israel and Ukraine and say they do not support significant changes to the US asylum process, which they view as potential “poison pills.”

“I trust my Senate colleagues to negotiate in good faith, which is why changes to both asylum and parole could be possible, but it has to be done without the kind of draconian or drastic changes that will subvert the entire process,” Sen. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, told CNN. “Poison pills should have no part in aiding Ukraine or assisting Israel at a point where their survival and our national interests are vitally at stake.”

It’s the latest sign that Democratic support for any border proposal is far from guaranteed and reflects the tightrope Senate negotiators are walking to find a deal that doesn’t crater so much support on the left and right that it cannot pass at all, knowing that not addressing the issue in the Senate would mean the bill would face long odds in the House.

For weeks, a small group of senators including independent Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, Democratic Sens. Chris Murphy of Connecticut and Michael Bennet of Colorado and Republican Sen. James Lankford of Oklahoma have been trying to chart a middle ground on the complex and politically perilous issue of immigration, in hopes of attaching it to a package sending aid to Israel and Ukraine. But in doing so, negotiators are finding themselves with little room to maneuver and with pressure mounting from outside groups.

Republicans are insisting that significant changes must be made to asylum policy and to the way the Biden administration handles so-called humanitarian parole. They are facing pressure from conservatives in their ranks, from outside groups and from conservatives in the House to push for robust policy changes that more closely reflect elements of the House-passed immigration bill.

“For me, this is a non-negotiable concept of major policy changes,” GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said. “It doesn’t have to be everything I want, but it has to be major.”

Meanwhile, Democrats are also facing pushback from their base and outside immigration groups to not support a package that fundamentally overhauls how the country handles asylum claims and in their view would make it much harder to help immigrants who are feeling violence or threat of persecution.

The asylum piece of the negotiations had been a bright spot in the talks, multiple aides told CNN and a place where negotiators had made progress. Negotiators were looking to raise the credible fear standard in the initial interview for immigrants crossing the border who were seeking asylum. Republicans argue that doing so would curb the number of immigrants eligible to go through what is often a lengthy and drawn out process, which has created a massive backlog.

But, nearly a dozen Democratic senators released a statement Wednesday morning warning the floated changes were going too far – among them: Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, the Democratic whip and chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

“I’m very concerned about it. And we had what 10 or 11 of My colleagues who joined the letter that (California Democratic Sen. Alex) Padilla started,” Durbin said. “I want to see what’s going to happen here. I’ve talked directly to Sen. Murphy. And I said, ‘I hope this letter doesn’t put too much pressure on you.’ He said ‘I’m glad the Republicans know that we feel that strongly about the issue.’”


8 posted on 12/07/2023 3:13:21 PM PST by Liz (Women have tremendous power — their femininity, because men can't do without it. Sidney Sheldon)
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Tucker Carlson

The Biden administration is openly threatening Americans over Ukraine. In a classified briefing in the House yesterday, defense secretary Lloyd Austin informed members that if they don’t appropriate more money for Zelensky, “we’ll send your uncles, cousins and sons to fight Russia.” Pay the oligarchs or we’ll kill your kids.

9 posted on 12/07/2023 4:21:04 PM PST by Rusty0604 (W looking for new conspiracy theories as all the old ones have come true)
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Austin is literally blackmailing everyone otherwise it’s WW3

10 posted on 12/08/2023 1:58:00 PM PST by callofthewild
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