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To: Jonty30

NATO has expanded in an easterly direction.
This is contrary to commitments NATO countries have given to Russia.
Hey! Sort of like agreements the USA made with American Indians: This agreement is valid as long as we honor it. (You sucker 😉


107 posted on 11/19/2023 9:36:30 PM PST by Honest Nigerian
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To: Honest Nigerian

1. 95% of all native deaths happened between 1492 and 1605.
2. It was Democrats, in both cases, making those promises.


110 posted on 11/19/2023 9:41:40 PM PST by Jonty30 (It turns out that I did not buy my cell phone for all the calls I might be missing at home.)
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To: Honest Nigerian

More Russian bullshit.

In the Belovezha Accords Russia itself wrote, the very first line was that the geopolitical reality of the Soviet Union had ceased to exist.

The unofficial promises made by Baker and Bush, which were only ever minuted or given in speech, ceased to have any relevance after Belovezha.

What matters are treaties signed between nations, not James Baker spitballing an idea that the USSR leaders themselves Gorbachev and Sheverdnaze both didn’t want to get in writing. Because they both knew if the USA committed to no NATO expansion into the Warsaw Pact, it’d be a public admission that the USSR was about to collapse.

Independent Russia, independent Ukraine, independent Georgia, independent Chechnya, independent Poland and the rest of the Warsaw Pact were ALL promised equality of “independence sovereignty and territorial integrity”... BY RUSSIA.

Russia even made Belarus the seat for the Commonwealth of independent states to avoid any notion that Russia would use the CIS as a club of client states.

Putin and Medvedev are serial oathbreakers. Gorbachev himself said on the record that the West had complied fully with its promises not to expand into the Warsaw Pact region let alone into the USSR itself.

Newsflash: the USSR and the Warsaw Pact ended when Russia by its own hand told the world that the geopolitical reality of the USSR had been terminated.


112 posted on 11/20/2023 12:34:40 AM PST by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe" - Holmes to Watson, A Scandal in Bohemia)
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To: Honest Nigerian

“NATO has expanded in an easterly direction.
This is contrary to commitments NATO countries have given to Russia.”

not even close to true. NATO made no commitment to russia not to expand. NATO is/was always expected to expand. Finland is the newest member, soon Sweden will join


146 posted on 11/20/2023 1:46:28 PM PST by Sunsong
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