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HOW THE UNITED STATES AND ITS NATO ALLIES SABOTAGED PEACE BETWEEN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE
Sonar 21 ^ | 14 Nov 23 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 11/17/2023 5:55:10 PM PST by delta7

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To: delta7

Pc is aphrodisiac

Unstoppable


21 posted on 11/17/2023 9:42:32 PM PST by Firehath (Quackery - An irrelevant simplification / undetected Complex problem - attacking symptoms)
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To: delta7

unreadable paranoid nonsense

Sonar 21 is Russian propaganda


22 posted on 11/17/2023 10:12:41 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

https://braveneweurope.com/michael-von-der-schulenburg-hajo-funke-harald-kujat-peace-for-ukraine


23 posted on 11/17/2023 10:14:17 PM PST by cabojoe ( 🇺🇸 Stop Ukie censorship. Release Gonzalo Lira)
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To: McGruff
It wasn't a retreat

sure it was

your Russians got their asses handed to them when they tried to encircle Kyiv, LOL

the elite VDV Paratroops were wiped out at the airport!

good riddance!!


24 posted on 11/17/2023 10:15:56 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: amnestynone

“They are a ruthless predatory warmongering people who can only change by going through the catharsis of defeat like Nazi Germany and Japan did. “


Is this about NeoCon Controlled America ?


25 posted on 11/17/2023 10:25:16 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: CapandBall
Reagan starred in "Bedtime for Bonzo."

He fights, and that's all that is necessary.

26 posted on 11/17/2023 10:47:23 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: amnestynone

“There will never be peace with Russia until Russia is defeated and defeated completely. They are a ruthless predatory warmongering people who can only change by going through the catharsis of defeat like Nazi Germany and Japan did.”

We see you, Victoria Nuland!


27 posted on 11/17/2023 10:54:35 PM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (Vivek for VP!!!!)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

Good grief reread the dates and look at facts on the ground vs. the proposed borders. The collapse of the peace talks in spring 2022 had nothing to do with promises of Boris Johnson, it was all about the actions of the Ukrainian Army. Ukraine was not going to give up territory they had already recaptured from the Russians.


28 posted on 11/18/2023 2:57:55 AM PST by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
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To: delta7
More Larry Johnson nonsense.

BTW...Larry has a very bad reputation on this board:

Is Ex-CIA Agent Larry C. Johnson Threatening A Freeper?

29 posted on 11/18/2023 3:21:45 AM PST by Timber Rattler ("To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." --George Washington)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman
Even famed neocon, Fiona Hill, admitted that Joe Biden and Boris Johnson undermined the deal.

The World Putin Wants: How Distortions About the Past Feed Delusions About the Future

Let's examine that claim from the actual source:

The World Putin Wants How Distortions About the Past Feed Delusions About the Future

Vladimir Putin is determined to shape the future to look like his version of the past. Russia’s president invaded Ukraine not because he felt threatened by NATO expansion or by Western “provocations.” He ordered his “special military operation” because he believes that it is Russia’s divine right to rule Ukraine, to wipe out the country’s national identity, and to integrate its people into a Greater Russia.

(snip)

"Putin wants a world where Russia presides over a new Slavic union composed of Belarus, Russia, Ukraine and perhaps the northern part of Kazakhstan (which is heavily Slavic)—and where all the other post-Soviet states recognize Russia’s suzerainty. ... Putin’s manipulations of history suggest that his claims go beyond Ukraine, into Europe and Eurasia. ... He also wants the West and the global South to accept Russia’s predominant regional role in Eurasia."

(snip)

"Putin seems uninterested in a compromise that would leave Ukraine as a sovereign, independent state—whatever its borders. ... The goal is not negotiation, but Ukrainian capitulation."

So that article doesn't say what you claim it says at all.

30 posted on 11/18/2023 3:29:56 AM PST by Timber Rattler ("To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." --George Washington)
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To: delta7

Why are Bakhmut and other villages in that area being ignored in this analysis about Johnson’s visit to Kyiv in early April 2022? It destroys their central thesis to ignore this.

Personally, I think that Ukraine and Russia should do an immediate Armistice and the world learn from its mistakes 105 years ago on why the WW1 peace treaty caused WW2 as a lasting peace is negotiated regarding Crimea/Donbas and other issues in Eastern Europe.


31 posted on 11/18/2023 3:30:07 AM PST by Degaston
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To: Degaston

I don’t see how either side can win. The bloodshed and other devastations are pointless. The Russian government is increasing their military spending by 70% this next year. If the US is serious about beating Russia it will cost trillions and 1M+ need to be drafted by year end 2024 and millions more in 2025 onward. The current requests by Biden are just intended to kill hundreds of thousands needlessly in a stalemate.

The best way to beat Russia in the long run is to change it through strength, peace, diplomacy, and the principles of the 1787 Philadelphia convention in action. If America would focus on being strong and free domestically then Russia will change in the future because real freedom is contagious.


32 posted on 11/18/2023 3:38:13 AM PST by Degaston
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To: Degaston

Oh my, don’t sully this place with common sense and a way forward without bloodshed.


33 posted on 11/18/2023 3:56:42 AM PST by dforest
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To: delta7

Sonar if you subscribe to Larry Johnson, i will save this post cause for now I can view his other articles. I don’t like some of his opinions but value his CIA background. He once put me in touch with a classmate who worked with him but that classmate has ignored both of us.


34 posted on 11/18/2023 7:15:32 AM PST by larryjohnson (FReepersonaltrainer)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman
Your Ukraine response was as bad as COVID response

You need to ask you boss for time off, since you just made the classic mistake of a foreign cubicle dweller posting on an American website.

It isn't "your" if you are an American, its "our", because even if you think Joe Biden and his administration are corrupt idiots, you would still refer to "our" nation, not "your" nation.

And you made a grammar error common among people trying to speak or write English as a second language. You forgot the "the" that belongs in front of COVID.

So tell you boss you are sorry for screwing up the post, and get some rest.

And by the way, why are you and your fellow Russian propaganda posters working overtime today?

35 posted on 11/18/2023 10:29:49 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: Reverend Wright

It use to be that someone who said something like that would be completely disowned by Conservatives and maybe even end up with a fat lip.


36 posted on 11/18/2023 2:15:35 PM PST by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

“We see you, Victoria Nuland!”

we will see you, McGovern!


37 posted on 11/18/2023 2:17:00 PM PST by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: amnestynone

“It use to be that someone who said something like that would be completely disowned by Conservatives and maybe even end up with a fat lip.”


Everyone on FR except the NeoCons and Zeepers knows I am right. (they are not happy about it, and they may resent me for pointing it out, but they know I am right).

It is no longer 1983.

Russian has abandoned Communism. But the Globohomo West, lead by America has taken Communism over.

And the NeoCons are going to start wars until they get defeated (or expelled from power)


38 posted on 11/18/2023 2:34:21 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright

The problem is with Russia that they are aggressive and predatory whether they are Czarist, Communist or whatever they are now. The problem is the Russian culture and their refusal to become a modern peaceful country like most countries are in the world. No, it is Russia that will keep fighting until they are defeated and be defeated, they will be and the sooner the better. So, take that Rev wrong.

And no, America is not communist.


39 posted on 11/18/2023 2:42:47 PM PST by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: amnestynone
"And no, America is not communist."

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You sure ?

If you told people in 1983 that this is what is on the streets of every city in America, celebrated by every corporation and major institution in America, they would have concluded that communism had taken over America - and they would be absolutely right !


40 posted on 11/18/2023 3:10:46 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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