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Solar Sliding: A quick glance around recent news reports is pointing to an industry wobbling like a bowl of Jello.
Hotair ^ | 11/14/2023 | Beege Welborn

Posted on 11/14/2023 8:54:55 PM PST by SeekAndFind

While it’s been a disaster in the wind industry lately (and fun as the dickens to cover) (Did I tell you Ørsted’s CFO and COO got the boot?), I hadn’t really had a chance to check in with the solar half of the big Green dream. You know, see if things are shaking out or just shaky?

A quick glance around recent news reports is pointing to an industry wobbling like a bowl of Jello.

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Although I do like “clubbed like a baby seal” – that’s pretty descriptive.

And it’s once again all based on the fantasy that the Green energy sector is cheaper and will eventually be self sustaining – “eventually” being the operative word. It has been decades and billions and billions poured into the grift, with goverment mandates to ensure our cooperation, and still the second the environment shifts, the renewables are completely unable to cope, less mind survive.

They are too dependent on perpetual handouts and perfect conditions, having never made any moves to become real live businesses, who can adapt as needed to less-than-perfect conditions..

Shares of Canadian Solar were falling sharply after the company fell short on quarterly earnings and sales.

It’s the latest in a line of solar companies struggling in a high-interest-rate environment.

…The broader solar industry has been having a tough time lately—largely due to high interest rates, which have made it more challenging for consumers to finance solar installations. This year, Canadian Solar stock has dropped 36%, Array Technologies (ARRY) has fallen 23%, First Solar (FSLR) has declined 3.1%, Sunrun (RUN) was off 56%, and Enphase Energy (ENPH) has plummeted 67%.

Good Morning from #Germany, where another green stock gets hammered. SMA Solar falls to a new 2023 low due to an order slowdown which puts risk on 2024 estimates. Despite billions invested in the energy transition, all German green stocks have lost a lot of ground in 2023. pic.twitter.com/Cjx4dnYMw7

— Holger Zschaepitz (@Schuldensuehner) November 9, 2023

Surviving by feeding at the government trough alone.

Things were looking up for the U.S. solar-power industry. The Inflation Reduction Act, the climate legislation that passed in August 2022, boosted the savings of anyone looking to go solar, among its several clean-energy incentives.

A little over a year later, however, investors sentiment about solar, particularly residential solar, is at a trough, the IRA notwithstanding.

“After a painful earnings season, we look to pick up the pieces and move forward,” James West, a analyst with Evercore ISI, said in a note Tuesday.

Just about every major U.S. solar company had big quarterly misses. Invesco Solar ETF TAN is down nearly 40% this year, contrasting with gains of around 14% for the S&P 500 index SPX.

Around the country, folks are waking up, too. Much as opposition to wind has blown up organically, so, too, has citizen pushback to massive solar farms ruining the landscape and destroying valuable farmland for installations. Rural communities are passing “no renewable installations” regulations in order to protect their land from large scale renewable developers before they can get their hooks into landowners. This latest I found was in Kansas.

Companies will not be allowed to build wind and solar farms in Harvey County. The Harvey County Commission voted unanimously Tuesday to ban commercial wind and utility-scale solar renewable energy projects in the county.

The new regulation still allows personal wind and solar energy installations, such as those used at homes, and limited-scale solar construction.

That fact that these Green energy grifts gobble up so much territory for so little return really is the shocker when push comes to shove. There’s nothing uglier.

State governments – even those deep into the climate cult’s clutches – have been backstabbing the industries they themselves have pushed on their own citizens, and slipping the shiv into those very same citizens at the same time. California, one of the most rabidly renewable states in the union – if not the worst – has managed to shiv every solar panel purchaser in the state in the back. It’s now fixin’ to do the same to farmers and, say, like, apartment buildings who also have arrays that are shared.

The California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) has released a proposed decision that is expected to be harmful to the value of rooftop solar for renters in multifamily housing, farms, and schools.

The decision sets hard limits on how much electricity produced by rooftop solar can be self-consumed by multi-meter properties. The policy effectively forces customers to first sell their solar production to the utility, and then buy it back at higher rates.

…California’s rooftop solar market has already taken heavy blows to demand in recent months as Net Energy Metering (NEM) 3.0 was implemented, a move that dramatically slashed compensation rates for exporting excess solar production to the grid.

Despite warnings from the industry, environmentalists and California residents that the move would be a devastating blow to residential solar, the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) moved forward with NEM 3.0, gutting the value of sending excess local solar generation to the grid.

And despite assurances from NEM 3.0 proponents that the industry would weather the storm and readily start attaching batteries to customer systems, demand is now forecast to fall by nearly 40% in California through next year, according to Wood Mackenzie. The problem has been exacerbated by rising interest rates that have worsened the loan packages offered to customers.

There is little point to taking on the excess burden of rooftop solar payments and maintenance if there isn’t some sort of benefit to be received from it besides #FeelGoodz .

Your electricity still goes off, but now you’re paying more, plus a hefty payment on the solar system you bought from whatever company?

That math doesn’t add up, at least for a rational consumer. As a cultist YMMV. I don’t see them selling them at the rate they were able to previously.

All of this is “endangering America’s environmental goals.” (And I know it’s paywalled – I just loved the headline)

Clean-Energy Stocks Have Collapsed. What Comes Next.
Stocks related to wind, solar and other forms of renewable energy have fallen by a third this year. Only a handful may be ready to rebound.

Clean-energy stocks are suffering through their worst slump in years, causing the industry’s value to tumble by tens of billions of dollars and endangering America’s environmental goals.

Major auto manufacturers like General Motors (ticker: GM) and Ford Motor (F) have delayed plans to roll out electric vehicles. Offshore wind developers are canceling or delaying projects that were expected to provide millions of Americans with carbon-free electricity. Homeowners, even in climate-conscious states like California, are buying fewer solar panels for their roofs. And green-power producers known for offering steady, reliable dividends have lost their veneer of safety. Rising interest rates have posed the gravest challenge to the industry, but supply-chain problems, inadequate electric transmission infrastructure, and competition from China are hurting, too.

Good. Because you know what else was endangered?

Us and our way of life.

And I’m 100% #TeamUS



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To: cymbeline

I am out on errands. Will send you a proper reply later.


21 posted on 11/15/2023 6:56:03 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: cymbeline

OK, here ya go —

First some background -

1. Until I retired this August, I worked in a very technical field. I spent a LOT of time learning about the technology and the economics of residential solar prior to buying. I essentially told the sales guy “this is what I am buying.”

2. We have a fairly large home, about 4,000 sq feet so our total electrical needs are pretty high.

3. We live in GA and in GA the utilities at the time permitted a maximum of 10kW of production capacity - 34 panels for us at the time, given the wattage produced by the ‘latest’ panels at the time. 34 panels, 10kW produces about 70-75% of our annual power needs, with an asterisk I will explain.

4. GA rules on net metering (selling power back) meant we had NO illusion of “making money selling power back” and also our maximum generating capacity meant we would seldom be in an excess for a month anyways.

So why’d we go solar and what’s the benefits?

1. By producing roughly 70-75% of our own power, ie having our own generation capacity, means that by producing 70-75% of our power, 75% of our electric bill at current usage is FLAT RATE and insulated from increases from the utility. We OWN the power we produce. GA saw 30% increases after Biden was elected, so our increase overall was only about 10%. Hope that made sense.

2. We know that if we had to, we could easily cut our electrical consumption by 30% if we needed to, and produce ‘all’ our power from solar, but we prefer to live the way we want to. Point being we won’t have to face a $600 electric bill when we’re 80, unlike some of our neighbors. Ours can be closer to $300/mo. We chose to finance the system so yeah, we are paying for it for 25 years, but from a cash flow standpoint we are ‘robbing Peter to pay Paul’ - money that would have gone to our EMC bill instead is used to buy the solar system. KEY POINT: obviously solar systems don’t produce power at night, and less during the winter, so even if we did deliberately reduce consumption, we will still have a bill to pay due to nighttime consumption. This is where the battery comes in. Will cover that in a bit.

(REM: with the 30% increase in power prices, the solar system now DOES produce power at a lower cost than the utility sell it, but we did NOT start out that way, and we were well aware of it. WE went solar to flat rate the vast majority of our usage, a hedge against energy inflation. THAT has emerged as a wise decision)

SO about the battery. Think of the battery as a solid state generator, but one you use EVERY DAY/NIGHT. You can forego the battery and just get a Generac, but it’s a LOUSY investment vs a battery because you SELDOM use it. Although they work REALLY well when you do need it. So honestly it’s a trade off between solar batteries and a generator. Let’s get into this a bit deeper.

Every day the sun shines, then panels run the house and charge the battery. AS the sun sets the panels stop producing, and the battery discharges and powers *some* of your house ... until it has discharged to a minimum percentage you select. Operationally, you don’t want to discharge the battery to “zero” in case you DO have an outage and want to use the battery to power the house. We set our minimum to 50% so that in the event of an outage, our battery can run ‘all night’ to power specific circuits - until the sun rises the next day.

Also please think of a battery as a bathtub full of electricity. This is key to understanding what your battery *CAN* do for you. Using the bathtub analogy, let’s say your battery can hold 10 kilowatt hours of electricity. That means in theory it can supply 1 kilowatt of power for 10 hours. BUT ya gotta understand the maximum amperage (rate and flow of electricity) it can discharge, analogous to the size of the drain— how fast can the bathtub drain. For example we have a smallish 10 kWh battery (I’ll explain why) that therefore holds 10 kilowatt hours of electricity, and it can sustain a discharge rate of 34 AMPS at 110V. Our size battery is NOT sized to run 240V circuits. *IF* we had bought a 20kWh battery system with a 68 amp discharge rate then it *could* run 240V circuits, but only until the ‘bathtub’ was empty. In other words, ya ain’t running the oven and cooking a turkey. You CAN however run a modest 240V HVAC system overnight. It is ESSENTIAL you think about what circuits and devices *MUST* operate when on battery backup and design/buy the battery that’ll do the job for you. For us the 10kWh smallish battery, with 34 AMP service, will run 16 select circuits - the fridges and freezers, the air handler for the gas heat, the master bedroom, the kitchen outlets, (including the microwave) the master bath - BUT NO heat pumps, not the oven, NOT the water heaters. Our house has two heat pumps and a gas/AC unit. WE also have a gas range. With this setup we’d keep all our food safe, be able to cook sufficiently, be warm in the master and kitchen. WE also have three fireplaces, one with a circulating fan the battery can run just fine. No hot water from the tap, and no AC except for ‘emergency’ window units we keep in storage and run every once in a while. And no baked goods, except what can be baked on the 110V toaster oven. This is what it’s like for us to run on battery-only. Best to wait til the sun comes back up and shines brightly, eh? ;-)

We have neighbors with a bigger house and a REQUIREMENT to run the HVAC in the master off battery. They have a 20 kWh battery which holds twice as much power and can discharge at 240V, 50 amps — easily running the HVAC in their master. Plus all the essential circuits for fridges, master suite and bath, kitchen etc. Their system is 55 panels + the 20kWh battery.

SO to net out the benefits of the battery:
1. It stores electricity by day and discharges a set portion of it EVERY NIGHT, reducing your electric bill every night.
2. In the event of an outage, it’ll keep stuff running til the sun comes back up, and then the sun powers the house (or most of it in our case) and charges the battery for the next night, and so on and so on. We can withstand an extended outage this way, and never run out of fuel for a Generac. Thus the battery is a SILENT solid state battery.

Just know that batteries are an EXPENSE item, just like buying a Generac. They COST you money, but they provide you the assurance of 24 hour power ‘forever’, and do so silently. AND you get use out of them every day. A Generac means you will run out of fuel eventually.

Finally, because of where we live (rural north GA) and what we are prepared for, we have the solar system plus battery, PLUS a gasoline 5800 Watt generator and a tertiary 1800 Watt dual fuel generator. We also have a small off-grid solar system for the greenhouse that has modest capacity compared to the home system, but COULD be employed for other tasks in a worst-case scenario.

NET: we were realistic about solar going in, it has exceeded our expectations, and we would do it again if needed. Also in retrospect, we should have gone with a 20 kWh battery (it can still be added) for the convenience of powering more circuits on battery, but initial economics drove a different decision.

Ping me with any questions.


22 posted on 11/15/2023 8:59:37 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: Blueflag

“...the technology and the economics of residential solar prior to buying...”

Thanks for the informative reply. I’m not yet ready to invest in solar because of unknowns related to cost and the maintenance of the utility power + solar + battery system. I wonder if batteries will be a lot cheaper a few years from now. I have natural gas so a generator powered by that is tempting.


23 posted on 11/15/2023 9:50:31 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: cymbeline

Batteries AND Generacs (and similar) *ARE* pricey.

Be wary of natural gas ONLY because in the event of a longer outage, the lines will lose pressure and you’ll have no gas.

*IF* you buy a portable generator, just make sure it’s a pure sine wave inverter generator. And buy big enough.


24 posted on 11/15/2023 10:38:46 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: Blueflag

“make sure it’s a pure sine wave inverter generator”

I know what you’re referring to. What appliances suffer from “impure” AC.

When solar collector output is “sold” to the power company, it has to be converted to AC and at phase matching that of the power company’s feed. Is that convertor complicated and expensive? Oh, and also metered so they can pay you.


25 posted on 11/15/2023 11:21:50 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: bitt

If only they’d take down the wind mill bird choppers.


26 posted on 11/15/2023 12:03:58 PM PST by little jeremiah (Nothing Can Stop What Is Coming)
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To: cymbeline

For a grid tied system, there is a controller that matches the phase and controls the voltage headed back to the grid. These are REQUIRED in the design. Most power companies have to sign off on a design with an engineers stamp and then will inspect the install prior to allowing your system to integrate.

Both your local system and the power company track the power exported. Expect to make between zero and a couple dollars a month for your system.


27 posted on 11/16/2023 3:44:26 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: Lockbox
Case in point update from Upstate NY...

Another major solar project planned for Seneca County: State will have final say on it, not local officials

28 posted on 01/04/2024 9:21:54 AM PST by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: mewzilla
Ithaca, NY Sun light hours:
HIGH 4.57 hours
LOW 2.29 hours
AVERAGE 3.79 hours

Hope they aren’t planning on a large amount of steady stream of electricity from the solar cells…..

29 posted on 01/04/2024 12:27:14 PM PST by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting…)
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To: SeekAndFind
Although I do like “clubbed like a baby seal” – that’s pretty descriptive.

Beat like a rented mule until it died…… is that better?

30 posted on 01/04/2024 12:29:10 PM PST by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting…)
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