The Occupation Solution: Naïve politicians continue to salivate over ‘the two state solution’ and an end to ‘occupation.’ But who is occupying whom?

American Thinker ^ | 11/13/2023 | Gamaliel Isaac

[Alberta's Child]

Maybe you can point all those places out here on a map like this:

[Don W]

A crash course on history of the PALESTINIAN STATE:
1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state
2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.
4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.
5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.
9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.
10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.
12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.
13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.
14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.
15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.
17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.
20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE.
A little more history for those wanting to ‘restore Palestine’.
In 132 AD the Emperor Hadrian resolved to stamp the Jews and their religion out of existence. He sold all Jewish prisoners into slavery after the revolt of Bar Kikhba, forbade the teaching of the Torah, renamed the province Syria Palaestina, and changed Jerusalem’s name to Aelia Capitolina. He renamed Israel to wipe out the national identity of Israel and the Jews.
So if you are looking to ‘restore Palestine to the Palestinians’, you need to give it back to the Jews.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

The UN only created the Gaza Strip, Israel and the West Bank. They did not create any place called Palestine, because the Southern Syrians already had Jordan as a state.

Of course the UN didn't "create" Palestine, because the term had already been in existence and used in reference to the general region before the UN even existed:

(Now granted, the Arabs who agreed to revolt against the Ottomans were somewhat incensed by this territorial division amongst the European powers, given that this all appeared to go against the terms of the Damascus Protocol, as well as the diplomatic correspondence between the British High Commissioner to Egypt and the Emir of Mecca. Likewise in regards to the Hogarth message of 1918, which did not become publicly known until over 20 years later, as noted from page 24 of the 1947 UN Committee on Palestine's report to the General Assembly: "The Mandate speaks in general terms only of safeguarding or not prejudicing the "civil and religious rights" and the "rights and position" of the Arab community in Palestine. Regarding interpretation, in January 1918 the British Government assured King Hussein in the "Hogarth Message", that the aspirations of the Jews for a return to Palestine would be realized "in so far as is compatible with the freedom of the existing population, both economic and political." This interpretation, however, was not officially made known to the Permanent Mandates Commission until 1939 nor was it acceptable to the Commission as a whole.")

(We are still dealing with the consequences of the post-war division of the Ottoman Empire.)

[Ultra Sonic 007]

Actually, since the name 'Palestine' is derived from the Philistines, 'returning Palestine to the Palestinians' (if you want to go back that far) would mean returning it to the Philistines that the Israelites fought (before both got conquered by the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Persians in succession).

A derivative of the name Palestine first appears in Greek literature in the 5th Century BC when the historian Herodotus used the word “Palaistine” to refer to the coastal strip inhabited by the Philistines.

[PIF]

Its all a made up myth. The people that lived there were known as Southern Syrians - there were no Palestinian people, no government, no buildings.

[PIF]

Its a region not a people or government there was no Palestinian people

[Ultra Sonic 007]

Its a region not a people or government there was no Palestinian people

The bedouin nomads have never had a state or government, yet are considered a distinct ethnicity, even if they are spread all over the Middle East.

Just as another example: Prior to the 16th century, 'American' was generally used to refer to the native Indian population. It wasn't until the 17th century that European settlers began to adopt the term as a common descriptor; shortly after our own independence, 'American' came to be the common demonym for citizens of the United States, and the native Indians were no longer commonly called 'Americans' anymore; referring to Americans by the European origin (whether British, French, etc) was discouraged.

The lesson is that nationalist fervor can emerge in a relatively short time, especially if the pressure is high enough: given that the various Palestinians have been 'de facto' treated as a separate class of people by both Israel and the other Arab/Islamic states surrounding them, are you shocked that they would adopt the demonym?

[woodpusher]

The ancient Kingdom if Israel was destroyed around 720BCE. It did not include Jerusalem.

Often seen is a claim that modern Israel won a war of independence in 1948. If so, who did they become independent from? Modern Israel was created by Great Britain and the League of Nations/United Nations. Unclear is how the UN owned the land, or had the authority to give it to Israel. Under the League of Nations, Britain was the appointed administrator of the Mandate for Palestine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah

According to the Hebrew Bible, a "United Monarchy" (consisting of Israel and Judah) existed as early as the 11th century BCE, under the reigns of Saul, David, and Solomon; the country later split into two kingdoms: Israel, containing the cities of Shechem and Samaria in the north, and Judah (containing Jerusalem and the Jewish Temple) in the south. The historicity of the United Monarchy is debated—as there are no archaeological remains of it that are accepted as consensus—but The Kingdom of Israel was destroyed around 720 BCE, when it was conquered by the Neo-Assyrian Empire. While the Kingdom of Judah remained intact during this time, it became a client state of first the Neo-Assyrian Empire and then the Neo-Babylonian Empire. However, Jewish revolts against the Babylonians led to the destruction of Judah in 586 BCE, under the rule of Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar II. According to the biblical account, the armies of Nebuchadnezzar II besieged Jerusalem between 589–586 BCE, which led to the destruction of Solomon's Temple and the exile of the Jews to Babylon; this event was also recorded in the Babylonian Chronicles. The exilic period, saw the development of the Israelite religion (Yahwism) towards the monotheistic Judaism.

This ended with the fall of Babylon to the Achaemenid Persian Empire around 538 BCE. Subsequently, Persian king Cyrus the Great issued a proclamation known as the Edict of Cyrus, which authorized and encouraged exiled Jews to return to Judah. Cyrus' proclamation began the exiles' return to Zion, inaugurating the formative period in which a more distinctive Jewish identity developed in the Persian province of Yehud. During this time, the destroyed Solomon's Temple was replaced by the Second Temple, marking the beginning of the Second Temple period.

https://www.loc.gov/item/2021666887/

Title

Mandate for Palestine and Memorandum by the British Government Relating to its Application to Transjordan.

Summary

After World War I, the Covenant of the League of Nations established a system by which the League was empowered to confer upon certain of the victorious powers mandates to administer territories formerly ruled by Germany or the Ottoman Empire. Mandated territories were to be governed on behalf of the League, until such time as they could become independent. On September 16, 1922, the Council of the League approved a mandate to Great Britain for Palestine, previously part of the Ottoman Empire. The mandate provided for the eventual creation of a Jewish state, as specified in Article 2: "The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of a Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion." Successive articles dealt with Jewish immigration, public administration, access to holy places and religious buildings, public health, commerce, and other matters. Appended to the mandate was a memorandum by the British government, also approved by the Council of the League, stating its understanding that the provisions of the mandate relating to the establishment of a Jewish national home and the promotion of Jewish immigration were not to apply to that portion of the mandated territory known as Transjordan, i.e., territory east of the Jordan River. The texts are in French and English, on facing pages. The mandate is in the archives of the League, which were transferred to the United Nations in 1946 and are housed at the UN office in Geneva. The archives were inscribed on the UNESCO Memory of the World register in 2010.