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To: Fury

I’m sorry I should never have responded to your post.
You over simplify & twist events to serve a narrative.
I will not make that mistake again. You can post to your heart’s content. Those who bother to check will not be fooled.
The bump stock question comes down to the definition of machine gun not whether the second amendment should be abridged.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-announces-bump-stock-type-devices-final-rule

The context for the remark about moving quickly in extingent situations is below. This remark was taken out of context by many who wanted to smear and mischaracterize but must be viewed in the context of the situation & conversation if the intent is not to deceive. With credible evidence of a mass murder plan not just rumor or here say than there must be a way to isolate the threat while evaluation & investigation takes place. It is hysterical thinking to state that that is a support of red flag laws.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-bipartisan-members-congress-meeting-school-community-safety/


96 posted on 11/07/2023 5:04:46 AM PST by JayGalt (A proud slave must be broken before the contagion spreads. Ever was it thus.)
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To: JayGalt
You over simplify & twist events to serve a narrative.

We shall see. I believe you lack discernment to look at an issue objectively.

97 posted on 11/07/2023 6:30:57 AM PST by Fury
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To: JayGalt
The context for the remark about moving quickly in extingent situations is below. This remark was taken out of context by many who wanted to smear and mischaracterize but must be viewed in the context of the situation & conversation if the intent is not to deceive. With credible evidence of a mass murder plan not just rumor or here say than there must be a way to isolate the threat while evaluation & investigation takes place. It is hysterical thinking to state that that is a support of red flag laws.

Here is what the President said in the link you provided (with an Issued Date of 02/28/2018):

"THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, the category you spoke about, Mr. President — the gun violence restraining orders. And they’re called — California, actually, has a version of this. And I think, in your meeting with governors earlier this week, individually and as a group, we spoke about states taking steps.

But the focus is to literally give families and give local law enforcement additional tools if an individual is reported to be a potential danger to themselves or others. Allow due process, so that no one’s rights are trampled. But the ability to go to court, obtain an order, and then collect not only the firearms, but any weapons in the possession of that individual.

THE PRESIDENT: Or, Mike, take the firearms first and then go to court, because that’s another system. Because a lot of times, by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court, to get the due process procedures.

I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida. He had a lot of firearms. They saw everything. To go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second. (emphasis added)

Later on August 5, 2019, this is what President Trump said:

"We must make sure that those judged to pose a grave risk to public safety do not have access to firearms and that, if they do, those firearms can be taken by rapid due process," Trump said. "That is why I have called for red flag laws, also known as extreme risk protection orders. (emphasis added)"

- see https://www.lohud.com/story/news/2019/08/05/president-trump-calls-red-flag-gun-law-what-new-york-law-does/1920845001/

A reasonable reading of these supports the claim that President Trump specifically supported red flag laws, and with weapons confiscation first and due process considerations second.

101 posted on 11/07/2023 7:11:34 AM PST by Fury
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To: JayGalt
As far as this statement:

"The bump stock question comes down to the definition of machine gun not whether the second amendment should be abridged."

is really a distinction without a difference. President Trump supported the bump stock ban, and used the administrative state, the "Deep State" if you will, to work to get a part classified as essentially a machine gun. That action clearly abridged the Second Amendment.

From the same link that you provided up thread"

Senator Cornyn mentioned bump stocks:

"...You’ve talked about the bump stock issue that Senator Feinstein, I know, cares passionately about.

THE PRESIDENT: And I’m going to write that out. (emphasis added)

THE PRESIDENT: Because we can do that with an executive order. I’m going to write the bump stock; essentially, write it out. So you won’t have to worry about bump stock. Shortly, that will be gone. We can focus on other things. (emphasis added)

It's pretty apparent (to me) that President Trump used the power of the administrative state to ban bump stocks.

102 posted on 11/07/2023 7:24:01 AM PST by Fury
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