Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: SoConPubbie
Nevermind what he is proposing is blatantly anti 1st Amendment

That's not true at all. You can get bounced from the military for saying all sorts of things. When you are serving in an official capacity there ARE things you can't say without consequences.

If your speech is determined to "disrupt your employer's interest in an efficient workplace", it is not 1A protected.

This is far from blatant. I honestly don't know how a court would rule. But there is something called the Pickering Balancing Test that is normally considered.

The Pickering test is a balancing inquiry pitting “the interests of the [public employee], as a citizen” against “the interest of the State, as an employer, in promoting the efficiency of the public services it performs through its employees.”[81] While employees have a substantial interest in “speak[ing] out freely . . . without fear of retaliatory dismissal,”[82] this interest must be weighed against the government’s interest in “effective and efficient fulfillment of its responsibilities to the public.”

My interpretation of the test is that this speech is NOT protected as it goes against “effective and efficient fulfillment of its responsibilities to the public.”
24 posted on 11/01/2023 8:28:04 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: mmichaels1970
Many people at some time in their life are told - usually by a smug boss - that they can be lawfully fired at any time, without notice, for any reason or no reason. This is not exactly true, but it is not exactly untrue either. The truth is, most employees in the private sector can be fired at will, but the failure to identify a compelling reason opens the employer up to a variety of civil rights claims.

Government employment is a totally different story. Most government employees - including most state and local employees - have a right to due process, and can only be fired for cause. For example, in Mississippi the legislature created a Statewide Personnel System which protects all employees of state departments, agencies and institutions as defined herein, with only certain specific exceptions. Miss. Code § 25-9-107. The purpose is to ensure that hiring and firing are based on sound methods of personnel administration and to build a career service in government which will attract, select and retain the best persons. Miss. Code § 25-9-101; see also § 25-9-103. As a result, termination is only for cause. Miss. Code § 25-9-127. Similar civil service protections apply to most other civil servants as well, from the municipality, Miss. Code § 21-31-23; Miss. Code § 21-31-71, to the federal government, 5 U.S.C. § 7513.

In the rare case where a government employee is at will, the statute typically says so explicitly and in no uncertain terms, e.g.: However, any employee which the county administrator is authorized to employ may be terminated at the will and pleasure of the administrator. Miss. Code § 19-2-9(1). As the Fifth Circuit observed, the statutes are usually quite explicit about this: Many Mississippi statutes governing the employment practices of public employers expressly prescribe either a ‘terminable at will’ or a ‘for cause’ standard. Conley v. Board of Trustees of Grenada County Hosp., 707 F. 2d 175, 179 (5th Cir. 1983). At will termination is clearly the exception rather than the rule.

And for good reason. Robust civil service protections are perhaps the key weapon in the ongoing war against corruption and patronage, as a review of our history shows.

The founding fathers understood - as John Adams put it - that when the independence of the civil executive is compromised, it corrupts ‘as necessarily as rust corrupts iron, or as arsenic poisons the human body; and when the legislature is corrupted the people are undone.’ Henry Adams, Civil Service Reform, 109 The North American Review, No. 225, pp. 443-475 (Oct. 1869). The early Presidents maintained a strong but uncodified tradition of executive independence and rational administration over the first half-century or so of the nation. Id. But by the time of the Grant administration, things had definitely changed for the worse, as Adams’ great-grandson Henry observed: the executive which had originally been organized as a permanent system with a permanent and independent existence, and a temporary head, was wholly changed in its nature and as a result, civil servants were terminated for arbitrary or political reasons, resulting in profound corruption through all levels of government. Id. The evils of this system were obvious to all - particularly after President Garfield was assassinated by his own political operative, who was unhappy with the President’s decisions in awarding patronage. This resulted in his successor, President Arthur, signing into law the Pendleton Act of 1883, the first formal step toward preserving an independent corps of civil servants immune from patronage.


More at the link . . .
27 posted on 11/01/2023 8:46:24 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson